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Old 01-18-2013, 09:25 PM   #1
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Decimator: where in chain?

Just grabbed yet another impulse buy, an ISP Decimator (not the G String).

Where should I put it in chain? I'm thinking in the fx loop:

Chorus > Decimator > Delay > Reverb

Yes? Or last in chain? Or elsewhere?
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Old 01-18-2013, 09:42 PM   #2
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probably before the delay. Why do you need a noise reducer?
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Old 01-18-2013, 09:52 PM   #3
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Where do you have noise?

I would try up front of the amp first and then try it in the effects loop to see where you like it better.

If you aren't using your effects loop all the time and you are trying to kill amp hum then use it up front.
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Old 01-18-2013, 09:54 PM   #4
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First in the chain, put it before the chorus. The ISP Decimator has a pretty hefty effect, you only want to place it after the things which can actually add noise (distortion pedals, overdrives, boosts, EQs, compressors and the preamp). You want to put modulation effects after it, and delay and reverb after it too, as well.

Best way to get the ISP to reduce noise without totally murdering note attack is to set your amp to the most middle-ground gain you use. So if, for example, you usually have a completely clean channel and then a distortion channel with the gain set to 8/10, temporarily set the gain to 4 or 5, then set the ISP to reduce whatever noise you have there, then turn the gain back up to 8. That way the ISP is on strong enough to reduce most of your noise, but not so strong that it will choke your clean tone. If you set the ISP to reduce all the noise completely on your distorted tone, you'll find it is too heavy-handed and your notes will sem to die out sooner than they should.

Do bear in mind that putting the ISP before your amp may be a better way of reducing noise, depending on the nature of your guitar and amp settings.
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Old 01-19-2013, 12:02 AM   #5
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^ +1

Only use it to gate what is necessary. Keep it as far forward in the chain where it is still effective in "decimating" what you need.

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Old 01-19-2013, 04:30 AM   #6
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In addition, up front it will cut out more feedback, but in the loop, it's not going to touch the feedback.

Personally, I put mine last in my loop, but my loop consists of an MXR 10-Band EQ and the Decimator

However, MrFlibble hit it right on the head. You want to put it JUST after where the noise is coming from. Otherwise, it's going to be cutting out things you want.

Also, it's worth noting that if you can set your loop to only one channel, and you only plan on using the loop with your gain channel, you wouldn't need to do the Medium Gain concept that Flibble mentioned. For example, with my amp, I can set my Loop to automatically be engaged when I switch to one channel, the other, or both. I only use my loop for sculpting my gain channel and keeping the noise out of it, so I set it for that channel.
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Old 01-19-2013, 05:09 AM   #7
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I run all my pedals infrony of my amp, you can use the decimator to cut delay trails as well but something tells.me you don't want to do that I say first in the effects loop.
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Old 01-19-2013, 05:29 PM   #8
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A lot of good feedback...no pun intended. Thanks. The below is a good point and it's exactly why I need the ISP. Lots of crazy feedback. I'll let you know how it goes.

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Old 01-19-2013, 06:21 PM   #9
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Moved it to last in front of amp. Adjusted to where it kills unwanted feedback. It's set to around -45 DB and also kills noise from the other pedals in front. Thanks, all. Working like a champ now.
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Old 01-19-2013, 07:44 PM   #10
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Sweet. They really do an amazing job.
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