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Old 09-01-2014, 06:10 PM   #1
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Hey guys, I pick very hard, im mostly a rhythm player but i play lead every once and a while, but most strings i use dont have heavy enough bottom strings (EAD strings) so when i play i knock them out of tune, i play everything from metallica to dio, its a LP scale, and i play in E flat, what should i do?
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Old 09-01-2014, 06:15 PM   #2
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If you're pushing your strings out of tune just by playing them, something else is wrong. You need a setup, looking in particular at the nut and bridge.
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Old 09-01-2014, 09:19 PM   #3
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its set up, i mean it booms out of tune when i hit a chord hard, it doesnt stay out of tune just for a second when i hit them hard, and its very annoying, especially when im recording
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Old 09-01-2014, 11:41 PM   #4
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its set up, i mean it booms out of tune when i hit a chord hard, it doesnt stay out of tune just for a second when i hit them hard, and its very annoying, especially when im recording


Nah, somethings wrong with the setup. Might be a bad nut or intonation etc. Take it back to the tech who set it up and tell him he didn't do a proper job.
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Old 09-02-2014, 12:03 AM   #5
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its set up, i mean it booms out of tune when i hit a chord hard…


You have poor technique. Slow down, relax, don’t fret so hard, and don’t bash your pick into the strings. Grow out the nails on your fretting hand enough that they’ll dig into the fretboard if you push enough to hit a note sharp. Practice clean jazz rhythms to get your strumming under control.
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Old 09-02-2014, 02:42 AM   #6
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You have poor technique. Slow down, relax, don’t fret so hard, and don’t bash your pick into the strings. Grow out the nails on your fretting hand enough that they’ll dig into the fretboard if you push enough to hit a note sharp. Practice clean jazz rhythms to get your strumming under control.

its not a bad technique, its just the way i play, i play a lot of jazz and blues, but when i get into it i pick hard, and my fretting hand is actually quite soft,
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Old 09-02-2014, 03:04 AM   #7
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its not a bad technique, its just the way i play, i play a lot of jazz and blues, but when i get into it i pick hard, and my fretting hand is actually quite soft,


its technique. you need to control your movements. all of them. fretting hand as well as picking hand.

what are you using for picks? what guitar is it? what pickups? are the pickups too high that you are hitting a pole or something?
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Old 09-02-2014, 09:42 AM   #8
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its not a bad technique, its just the way i play, i play a lot of jazz and blues, but when i get into it i pick hard, and my fretting hand is actually quite soft,

If it's enough to throw the strings out of tune, it's not a good technique. That or you're using strings that are way too thin, but I doubt that.

I don't get what the question is here. You say the strings you use aren't thick enough, and then you say your technique is fine and your setup is fine. If nothing you're doing is wrong, you shouldn't have a problem, but you do have a problem. You need to either fix your gear so it works the way you want it to, or adjust your technique so that you can play in tune with gear that is properly set up.
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Old 09-02-2014, 02:17 PM   #9
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its technique. you need to control your movements. all of them. fretting hand as well as picking hand.

what are you using for picks? what guitar is it? what pickups? are the pickups too high that you are hitting a pole or something?

i use jazz 3s the ultex ones, its an esp eclipse with dmarzio tone zone in the bridge and a air norton in the neck, no the pick ups arent to high
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If it's enough to throw the strings out of tune, it's not a good technique. That or you're using strings that are way too thin, but I doubt that.

I don't get what the question is here. You say the strings you use aren't thick enough, and then you say your technique is fine and your setup is fine. If nothing you're doing is wrong, you shouldn't have a problem, but you do have a problem. You need to either fix your gear so it works the way you want it to, or adjust your technique so that you can play in tune with gear that is properly set up.

when i record rhythm guitar, i hit the strings hard and for a split second they boom out of tune, look up an evertune bridge demo, you will see what i mean, and i dont want to fit an evertune into my guitar because of $, so i was just wondering if thicker gauge would do the trick, i should have clarified that, sorry
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What gauge are you using now?

It's worth trying a larger gauge but it's also worth trying to not beat your guitar so badly that it goes noticeably out of tune. If you have a floating bridge that's also a consideration. This does not sound like a problem that needs a $500 bridge to fix.
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Old 09-02-2014, 03:22 PM   #12
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What gauge are you using now?

It's worth trying a larger gauge but it's also worth trying to not beat your guitar so badly that it goes noticeably out of tune. If you have a floating bridge that's also a consideration. This does not sound like a problem that needs a $500 bridge to fix.

yeah, im using 11-49, im not really beating it out of tune, just like when i hit an A or something with some force it just goes barely out of tune for a split second, when i hit it softer it just kinda loses its edge, when im playing live its no big deal because most people dont notice, but recording its a pain in my ass
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Old 09-02-2014, 03:27 PM   #13
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Don't hit them so hard
Strings are going to move if you slam a pick into them. You need to either change your pick attack or deal with the consequences. A properly set up guitar shouldn't really be giving you problems with 11s. If they're barely out of tune for a split second, don't worry about it. If it's really out of tune, you need to fix your setup or your technique.
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Don't hit them so hard
Strings are going to move if you slam a pick into them. You need to either change your pick attack or deal with the consequences. A properly set up guitar shouldn't really be giving you problems with 11s. If they're barely out of tune for a split second, don't worry about it. If it's really out of tune, you need to fix your setup or your technique.

alright, thanks dude
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Old 09-02-2014, 09:06 PM   #15
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Could always try something like 11-54? Or even drop the 54 for a 56 if you are drop tuning.
Does sound like you are hitting it a bit too hard though.
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Old 09-02-2014, 11:22 PM   #16
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Sure that your tuners aren't crap? Hitting the strings hard shouldn't be throwing it out of tune. I slam my strings pretty hard too playing punk. I found a Squier I am doing up was going out of tune quite a lot just recently. I threw away the tuners and replaced them with Grovers - problem solved.
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