Andalus

Rush use a click live.

z4twenny

the one problem with 95% of drummers... man i don't care if we jam fast or slow just make that shit steady.

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MaggaraMarine

Why? What does it matter if there's a click? You can still improvise - in a certain tempo. It's just a click track. And you can stop the song and start it again, you just have the click in your ears all the time. The click is in your ears (or only in the drummer's ears), the audience won't hear it so you can do stuff with the audience as well as if you didn't have the click track.

But I don't think many professional bands really improvise on stage. They have planned carefully what they are going to play (I mean the biggest bands). They might make it sound like improvising like here:



But actually they have planned what they are going to play. I have seen another video of "Rocket" and they play exactly the same things.

You need a click track if you have backing tracks or videos. Even a slight tempo change and you are out of sync with the backing track. Of course you can listen to the backing track but that's a lot harder than listening to your band mates because the band mates can react to slight tempo changes, the backing track can't. And what if there are parts that don't have a backing track? If there was a backing track only in the chorus?


An orchestra would sound terrible with a click track. It's part of classical music that there are lots of tempo changes. The music kind of lives all the time. If the whole song was in exactly the same tempo, it wouldn't sound as good. It would sound like it was played by a machine.

But there's a conductor that keeps everybody in time. I'm sure it would sound pretty bad if there wasn't a conductor.

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Zoomyrs1

Apples to Oranges.

Classical music is heavily polymetric. In 9 measures you may play in 3 different time scales. Aside from that, each conductor has an individual style and there will be variances in volume and tempo between two professional conductors playing the same piece.


I would be curious if Trans-Siberian uses a click track they have a WHALE of a stage show and I bet you could average out a lot of what they play, now that I think about it.

Dayn

Most of my favourite bands do, because if they didn't, they'd fall apart. Even slowing down or speeding up a tiny bit would throw everything off.

Personally, I'd use one, because I want everything to be cohesive. My songs need that cohesion because each track can't stray. If there's a tempo change in the song, then I'd just program that in... simple. Unless you have parts involving free time or a lot of gradual accelerando or rallentando, I can't see a single downside. Unless one's ego is strangely tied into the rejection of particular technology...

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Well, isnt carrying around and setting up the clicks every night a downside? Seems line alot of work, and many things can go wrong.

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I used to set my echo to the right tempo for an original song, give it a little tap for a few echos for the drummer to get the time in his head to start...he'd still loose it by the end most times, he was a drinker, combine that with free beers

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About the part about improvisation, if you wach this (guthrie govans new band) you'll see that they never could have had an preformace like this with a click.

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Hail

what are you talking about? you can program your in-ears, light show, backing tracks all in a DAW. something goes wrong? that's why you pay for a sound guy who knows what he's doing.

and @ the guy talking about how 3 guitars is similar to an orchestra: imagine an orchestra of violas. yeah, i know.

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Yeah, and what I'm trying to get at here is there already is someone who plays an analogous role in most contemporary musical settings - the drummer. In fact, in most of the situations being discussed the drummer is still the one keeping time for the band, just with the aid of a click. All the click is doing is help the drummer keep time steadily. But, here's the kicker - if they're a good drummer they should be able to do that without the aid of a click.

Maybe I'm biased because I don't listen to the kind of 'metal' that would stereotypically require a click anyway. I'd be interested to know how the older 'tech metal' bands like Watchtower pulled their shit off live though. Somehow I doubt any clicks were involved, I could be wrong.



I know those words, but I can't decipher what they mean when put together like this.

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MaggaraMarine

If there are backing tracks, it would be very hard to play exactly in time. Even the smallest change in tempo (0.1 second delay) will make you sound off. Even the best drummer can't play exactly in 120bpm if you tell him to do it. At least I wouldn't take the risk. He might play in 120.1bpm or something and if he keeps playing in that tempo for a longer time, it will sound off when you compare it to the backing track in 120bpm. If every part of the song doesn't have a backing track, you might be off the beat when the backing track starts playing.

Of course if you play in a band without backing tracks, there's no need for click track.

And @ TS: Yeah, the video you sent was that kind of jazzy jamming stuff. And I wouldn't use click for that kind of stuff, it's more free in many ways. And the purpose of that kind of band is to jam and come up with something new every time you play together. The arrangements vary and you play different solos and stuff.

But if we talk about typical rock concert (like that Def Leppard gig) - everything is planned before you go and perform, even though it might look like they are improvising. They want it to sound as good as possible. But I wouldn't use click for that kind of basic rock concert either if I didn't use any backing tracks (though Def Leppard used backing tracks). But I have nothing against using click. Because if you play on a gig, you usually play the stuff much faster than the original recording. Metronome will make you play it in the tempo it was supposed to be played. It might sound the best in that tempo and if you play it faster, it sounds too fast.

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Hail

aside from backing tracks, i'll raise something i should have put more emphasis on: what about light shows?

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