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Old 04-16-2014, 04:06 PM   #34361
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Compare early Codeseven (Division Of Labor) and In Pieces (Learning To Accept Silence)?
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Old 04-16-2014, 06:00 PM   #34362
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I don't see the need for every single band to 'stick to their roots.'

I don't either. I was joking with that part.

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I like KSE through all their stuff, including the first album.

I like KsE too. I just dislike misclassification. lol

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But yeah, everything you said has been mentioned in the forum 1000 times and we have 20 threads trying to politely explain it. We try anyway. People still get upset.

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Anyway I think what most people call them in the end is "New Wave of American Heavy Metal" along with Avenged Sevenfold and other like them.

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Old 04-16-2014, 06:13 PM   #34363
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This whole Metalcore classification thing has got a little out of hand. I mean I know I was instrumental in starting it but the point was to understand the roots of music. Not to sit around and have semi-smug conversations about whether popular bands are Metalcore or not.


Just thought I should throw that out there.
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Old 04-17-2014, 12:56 AM   #34364
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This whole Metalcore classification thing has got a little out of hand. I mean I know I was instrumental in starting it but the point was to understand the roots of music. Not to sit around and have semi-smug conversations about whether popular bands are Metalcore or not.


No shit. @_@
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Old 04-17-2014, 01:07 AM   #34365
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Can someone explain what emocore is?
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Old 04-17-2014, 01:13 AM   #34366
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It's a genre of music that started in response to excessive violence in hardcore.
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Old 04-17-2014, 09:44 AM   #34367
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A little more in depth please? And can any modern bands be labeled emo?
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Old 04-17-2014, 04:14 PM   #34368
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This whole Metalcore classification thing has got a little out of hand. I mean I know I was instrumental in starting it but the point was to understand the roots of music. Not to sit around and have semi-smug conversations about whether popular bands are Metalcore or not.


Just thought I should throw that out there.


And that is what ended up happening anyway
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Old 04-17-2014, 07:01 PM   #34369
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Can someone explain what emocore is?


Emo is just a sub-genre of punk, not necessarily an offshoot of hardcore as some say.
Hardcore eventually gave way to Crossover (around 85/86), plenty of in-fighting and actual violence led to many D.C. musicians 'going back to their roots', playing a mix of 77' punk, post-punk, and, in some cases, hardcore.
This sound is what we know as 'early' emo.

The D.C. sound become popular with some later hardcore/youth crew style bands. Most notably Turning Point and Justice League.

It's debated where the term came from, I've heard that some friends of Foundation used the term first, others say it's got more to do with Rites Of Spring. Either way, it was a term used sparsely in the late 80's, usually disparagingly.

Like Metalcore, it's a VERY VAGUE term. I mean, what do those terms really mean? they leave so much interpretation.
Due to the vagueness, plenty of different bands have been termed emo. Everyone from Farside to Still Life to Jimmy Eat World have be called emo.

and yes. many new bands could be called 'emo'. Like Metalcore, don't put too much thought into it.

Early 'emo'/post-hardcore (some may say melodic hardcore)
Rites of Spring
Foundation
Embrace
The Hated
Beefeater
Dag Nasty
Swiz

90's bands that are commonly called emo.
Farside
Evergreen
Grain
Indian Summer
Lumber
Rain Like The Sound Of Trains
Still Life

and before you ask about Screamo, it came about in the 90's, heavily associated with emo. The sound is mostly centered around what was coming from these record labels: Ebulition, Level Plane, Gravity, Revelation.
So it's also a pretty vague term.

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Could early In Pieces and early Codeseven be called emocore?
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Here's the best way to find out. Listen to emocore bands and then decide.
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Another Alternative: He likes classifying things properly and shows a genuine interest in a wide variety of hardcore sub genres, so give the man the info he wants and politely asks for.
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Yeah but just asking for a definition isn't really information gathering... it's like just being told.

And I think the key point is that no one really has an answer because I'm 95% sure Emocore isn't REALLY considered an actual genre.

I mean the whole "metalcore" thing didn't start up because someone told us that Killswitch Engage weren't real metalcore, it was because the members at the time all listened to a shit tonne of music.
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Emocore is just emo.

I don't see what useful purpose this has, outside of knowing some obscure, vague information about a scene of music. If that's your thing then okay, but I find that to be a waste of time when you can just listen to the music and focus on the aspects of that instead of it's background.
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Back in 2002-2004 I use to think bands like 'From Autumn to Ashes' were Emocore. I still have a very hard time classifying their albums, most notably "Too Bad You're Beautiful." In all honestly that album was something else... brutal, beautiful, and has one of the only metal songs on it to ever make me cry. "Short Stories With Tragic Endings" is a master piece.
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