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Old 08-13-2014, 12:42 PM   #4641
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Mixing these kind of vocals is pretty straight forward - EQ out the mud, smash it with compression, de-ess it, smash it again with compression and add some saturation in there somewhere if you want to thicken it up. Then buss that to a reverb and/or delay track that's set low in volume to give it more body.

Really, compression is key here, though. Just when you think you have enough - throw some more on it!
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Old 08-13-2014, 12:54 PM   #4642
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I completely agree on how important compression is. A dry, uncompressed growl track in a mix can sound like awful dog balls.

Matrix, long time no talk, man. Any thoughts on the getting that low nasty tone like Septic Flesh and others? It's definitely different than a standard false cord. it sounds tighter and smoother somehow.
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Old 08-15-2014, 01:57 PM   #4643
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Pushed my lows as low as they go without activating the space behind my adams apple, pushed with my stomach as hard as I could (That's what I do when I'm trying to use my diaphragm). EQ'd it. Compressed it quite a bit. ... Ended up doing a cover of "Reign Of Darkness" by "Thy Art Is Murder". I think it came out very well. I did put a lot of work into it.. So.. Opinions? Please? D:

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Old 08-16-2014, 07:51 AM   #4644
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I cant belive i never asked this yet, but does Matt Heafy of Trivium use false chord or fry? Im still not really sure what type it is when i hear a random scream.
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Old 08-17-2014, 07:01 PM   #4645
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Hey all, tone question. Does anyone have the slightest clue how the guy on the right gets his tone? The guy on the left sounds like a standard false chord, but the other guy has a super smooth tone and I'm really digging it. Can't figure out how to replicate it though.

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Old 08-18-2014, 10:28 AM   #4646
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The fat kid just isn't adding any voice to it. Both are fry.

The guy ion the right just has a better grasp of the tone and can add a touch of voice at the ginning of phrases.
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Old 08-18-2014, 11:19 AM   #4647
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Oh. Shows you how much I know. Haha I can never tell which technique they are using.
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Old 08-20-2014, 12:35 AM   #4648
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I was almost sure the fat kid on the left was doing false chord?

And for the guy asking about Matt Heafy, I think he does fry

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Old 08-21-2014, 11:35 AM   #4649
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Maybe, but it sounds too smooth for false cord. It doesn't have the rumble.

Heafy probably does fry but he has no clue. He's been asked in interviews.

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Old 08-21-2014, 01:12 PM   #4650
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I had a feeling he doesnt really know what he's doing. Reminds me of myself. Anyway, i noticed that no matter how much i warm up before i start screaming, the first couple of screams are always a bit painful. I takes me a while to get the hang of it every single time, and then its ok, but even after those few first screams, i already have some discomfort in my throat. It goes away after a while, even with the screaming, and after practice i feel normal really fast, like in a few minutes. But still, this doesnt seem right.

And i also noticed it hurts when i try to do some highs, and its much easier for me to do lower and medium pitch screams. Why is that?
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Old 08-21-2014, 07:32 PM   #4651
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Your moving lots of air through thinning folds. Additionally, you probably raise your larynx, and possibly topping out your voice box. Both can cause pain/discomfort.
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Old 08-22-2014, 12:26 PM   #4652
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So I didn't get anyone saying anything on my last cover. ..Hrm.
Well. Still trying to figure out fry. Is what I'm doing here possibly fry? I know there's a lot of voice in it, but the parts where I do activate "something", is that fry? Or ANOTHER way of doing false chord?

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No clue Kimino. Sounds similar to my technique.
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Old 08-27-2014, 03:06 AM   #4654
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So, this isn't really vocal related, but:

My band got invited by Origin to open up for Them, Beyond Creation, and King Parrot on Saturday. Of COURSE we took the offer.

However, this will be the BIGGEST show we've ever done, 400+ people yo. I'm freakin nervous as shit, but excited. Nervcited, if you will. How do I get over this? I feel this overwhelming pressure to be good because they personally invited us to play with them because they liked our stuff, and that's alot of freaking pressure. >_< I've played to WAYYY bigger crowds, but that was back in my marching band days. Banging your head while playing complicated metal is alot different.

On Topic: For you screamers out there that play guitar/bass and vocals in your band, how do you get passed a section that is technical and hard, and the vocals line up on the upbeats? I can't seem to wrap my head around this flow while playing. And it's the only way it fits haha

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I cant belive i never asked this yet, but does Matt Heafy of Trivium use false chord or fry? Im still not really sure what type it is when i hear a random scream.


Dude, no one knows what Heafy does. Some people can mimic his vox with fry, others with false chord, I have to do some jacked up blend of both to get it. you just gotta experiment
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Scow, congrats man. That's awesome. I've played to over 6-700. What I do is just look at the folks in the first 10 rows or so and try to pick out of few people and ham it up for them. It takes the edge off the nerves and it makes you look like you are really in to the whole crowd.

Btw, you are going to be nervous until you hit that first note, and then I'm sure it will go away.

As for vox/instrument, if I just can't do something right now, I write the part separately and then simplify one of the lines a bit live in a way that it doesn't stick out. I'm still relatively new to both (screaming 5 years, and same for bass) so what I can't do together now, I can usually do 6 months down the road.
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Old 08-31-2014, 04:48 PM   #4656
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On Topic: For you screamers out there that play guitar/bass and vocals in your band, how do you get passed a section that is technical and hard, and the vocals line up on the upbeats? I can't seem to wrap my head around this flow while playing. And it's the only way it fits haha


Practice i guess. I play guitar, so i cant really simplify my riffs, especially if the other guitar is doing lead. Sometimes i find it easier to play the lead than the rhythm part. In one song i really cant do it, so i just dont play during the verse, since the guitars play the same part anyway. But i usually get parts like that down with a bunch of practice. Also, it doesnt seem to matter how complicated the riff is on my fretting hand, as long as its kinda steady on the rhythm. I get all messed up with wierd pauses and stuff like that.
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Is Meshuggah fry or false chord?
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Old 09-09-2014, 07:28 AM   #4658
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False Chord, as far as I know
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Old 09-10-2014, 06:31 PM   #4659
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If anybody is looking for a new inspiration, definitely check out Fallujah's new album, The Flesh Prevails.

It almost killed me with the mix of brutality and getting hit right in the feelz.
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