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Old 04-19-2013, 12:19 AM   #1
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Smile Whammy bar help :/

Well, yesterday I was just jamming and then I started divebombing and after a while, my whammy wouldn't work anymore. I tried taking it off and putting it back on, tightening it etc but still nothing. I also noticed that my strings seem to be tighter around the pick-ups. I'm thinking of replacing them but wanna ask around in case there's something wrong with my bridge now.

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Old 04-19-2013, 01:05 AM   #2
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Well, yesterday I was just jamming and then I started divebombing and after a while, my whammy wouldn't work anymore. I tried taking it off and putting it back on, tightening it etc but still nothing. I also noticed that my strings seem to be tighter around the pick-ups. I'm thinking of replacing them but wanna ask around in case there's something wrong with my bridge now.

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this isn't very clear.

what part of your "whammy wouldn't work is it"

are talking about a problem with the actual bar?

i am thinking you are talking about the bridge itself.

did the trem knife edges go off of the studs?

if you press downward on the bar, does it change pitch? upwards? no movement whatsoever (which is what i think you may be saying)?

what guitar is this on?

if you could clear it up a little bit i think you would get better help. a pic wouldn't be a bad thing either.
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Old 04-19-2013, 01:14 AM   #3
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Old 04-19-2013, 01:24 AM   #4
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haha. i do have to admit when i go in a thread and read wammy, i loose a brain cell. its a tremolo system. trem. tremolo, thats fine, but wammy just throws up the red flag. i don't think steve vai calls his trem a wammy.




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haha. i do have to admit when i go in a thread and read wammy, i loose a brain cell. its a tremolo system. trem. tremolo, thats fine, but wammy just throws up the red flag. i don't think steve vai calls his trem a wammy.




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Well... technically it's a vibrato bridge... which affects pitch... and so the association with "whammy".

Altho that said... I think whammy is a damn weird name.
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Well... technically it's a vibrato bridge... which affects pitch... and so the association with "whammy".

Altho that said... I think whammy is a damn weird name.


i will give you that on a technical point .

but common convention is tremolo a tremolo? is it not?

i have no idea where whammy comes in though. i detest that word.
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Its on a OX10 Oscar Schmidt by Washburn, I'll upload a picture soon. The problem seems to be that I can't even push the bar down to change pitch, it feels like its jammed when I try.

PS I don't see what's so wrong about saying 'whammy' because as far I know, the 'tremolo' bar doesn't tremolo and vibrato would be more correct.
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Its on a OX10 Oscar Schmidt by Washburn, I'll upload a picture soon. The problem seems to be that I can't even push the bar down to change pitch, it feels like its jammed when I try.

PS I don't see what's so wrong about saying 'whammy' because as far I know, the 'tremolo' bar doesn't tremolo and vibrato would be more correct.


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whammy just sounds dumb. do a search for "tremolo bars" you will find more results there than vibrato, and fender even regards them as tremolo bars. IIRC they jumped on the 'pitch shifting bridge' over 50 years ago.
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Its on a OX10 Oscar Schmidt by Washburn, I'll upload a picture soon. The problem seems to be that I can't even push the bar down to change pitch, it feels like its jammed when I try.

PS I don't see what's so wrong about saying 'whammy' because as far I know, the 'tremolo' bar doesn't tremolo and vibrato would be more correct.


hurry up on the pic. is it: http://www.rakuten.com/prod/washbur...ingId=174241766

i don't see what you could have done to divebomb so much on a vintage style bridge to mess it up.

awaiting photo.
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i have no idea where whammy comes in though. i detest that word.


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I used to have a starcaster that had the same thing happen the problem was I had the bar screwed into tight and it snapped off right into the bridge when
I tried to dive lol. But if it's not fully jammed just really stiff you could try taking one of the springs out to lessen the tension.
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Yeah, that's the same guitar. I'm not at home atm but the bridge looks fine, its just the strings that seem to be tensing up so I'll try loosen the bridge when I get home and see what happens.
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Yeah, that's the same guitar. I'm not at home atm but the bridge looks fine, its just the strings that seem to be tensing up so I'll try loosen the bridge when I get home and see what happens.


Once you've encountered a problem you can't fix or figure out how to fix, don't mess with your guitar anymore. Post a picture and see if any one can help.
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did the trem knife edges go off of the studs?

This is almost assuredly what has happened. I have had PRS trems do this. The only way to fix is to relieve string tension, relieve spring tension by removing springs from the trem block, then from the back, gently push upward until the trem sits again on the pivot edge in the screw slots correctly. Carefully replace springs and then tune up again.

You could short-cut this by simply pushung on the back of the trem block to reseat, but you risk damage to the screws or the knife edge. Don't do it. Relieve tension on strings and springs first.
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did the trem knife edges go off of the studs?

This is almost assuredly what has happened. I have had PRS trems do this. The only way to fix is to relieve string tension, relieve spring tension by removing springs from the trem block, then from the back, gently push upward until the trem sits again on the pivot edge in the screw slots correctly. Carefully replace springs and then tune up again.

You could short-cut this by simply pushung on the back of the trem block to reseat, but you risk damage to the screws or the knife edge. Don't do it. Relieve tension on strings and springs first.


I asked around and my old guitar teacher says that that's what I should do to fix it. Also I'm having trouble uploading pictures, with the resolutions and what not so I'm not sure when I'll have a pic up.
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I asked around and my old guitar teacher says that that's what I should do to fix it. Also I'm having trouble uploading pictures, with the resolutions and what not so I'm not sure when I'll have a pic up.


upload pics tp youtube and use the [ img ] tags. they will be the proper size automatically.
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