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Old 04-08-2013, 10:37 PM   #181
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Here's the clip I was talking about, to save you looking back a page.

http://cathbard.com/files/sibly.mp3

I don't give a shit who uses what. Show me something that has that level of talkback. I'm not even saying nothing can. I'm just throwing it out there as a challenge. I don't care about any of that ^ shit. How it's mastered is irrelevant, I am talking about how it reacts to your picking. Show me or gtfo.

i tried really hard with the fender mustang but no go. it just breaks up unless you're barely barely picking but then the volume is too low. it doesn't have that dynamic of pick sensitivity that i think you are talking about.

now i tried it again with the good ole vox da5 and i think i should be able to put together a decent clip. just not tonight. i should have done it sunday when i had the time. i mean it's not the same but you can fake an almost passable example and i do think you will agree.

but no it's not the same.

maybe some of the newer stuff can though, i kinda doubt it too myself tbh.

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OK dt25 with hd500 j45... just touch example.
https://soundcloud.com/angie-lee-ha...-track-1-mix-14

that's not bad, probably better than the vox will do.

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Old 04-11-2013, 08:12 AM   #182
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+1 The DT is a hybrid amp. It has a very similar circuit to the Spider valve. The input is actually a DSP interface and not a true tube preamp. Only the power amp is all tube.

You are wrong the circuit in the dt is nothing like the spider valve.
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Old 04-11-2013, 08:38 AM   #183
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You are wrong the circuit in the dt is nothing like the spider valve.


Well that was helpful....


Care to support your claim and detail the differences?
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Old 04-14-2013, 08:55 AM   #184
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can spend 2k and get every amp and pedal and cab and mic imaginable

fun jamming to original recordings after doing tone match

Home recording-no need for studio time. multiple amp tones and no danger of losing a good tone in error

Rehearsal room-dont have to carry amp and your cab

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I think they will be dominant in 5 years, however in 10 the technology will be on an app or something crazy.
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Old 04-15-2013, 01:11 PM   #185
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One will never replace the other. Electric guitars never replaced acoustic. Most serious guitarists own both. Its just one more tool in the arsenal.

It should be noted however that at one time accordions were the most popular instrument in America.
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Old 04-15-2013, 10:09 PM   #186
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^ you seriously just said that?

Electric guitars were never meant to replace acoustic guitars.

This thread is about the future of modeling technologies. I think.
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Old 04-21-2013, 10:29 PM   #187
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Well that was helpful....


Care to support your claim and detail the differences?


There was a write up explaining the exact difference. Ill have to find it. But basically the spider valve uses modeling from the spider series wich model's the pre amp and power amp of the modeled amp then sends that to the tube power section to color the sound. Kinda like running a pod through a tube power amp. except i think a pod has better modeling .
The dt uses hd modeling of the preamp of an amp model only. uses a tube dt25 /tubes dt50 to color that modeled preamp amp model then thats where modeling stops... then the mechanical circuitry of the power amp chooses one of four defferent tube circuit routes dependent of type of amp model so that the tubes of the poweramp interact realistically.
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Old 04-22-2013, 12:43 PM   #188
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I don't think tube amps will ever go away completely...

But I do think they will eventually be seen kinda of the same way classic muscle cars are seen today. Everybody will still want one, but something that's way more convenient, more affordable, and requires less maintenance that achieves the same goal will be the choice for most people.
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Old 04-22-2013, 01:14 PM   #189
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Even when playing through an Axe FX and a nice set of monitors, there's just something "missing", it's not "tone" or "feel"... rather, it feels as if even the best made amp modellers are more forgiving, sort of like playing a video game on easy mode or something.

That said, I have rack modellers and use them all the time instead of my tube amps, but I know this, I sure love having both at my disposal.
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Old 05-24-2013, 04:19 AM   #190
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When it comes right down to it decide on the sound you want; plug in amp; plug in guitar; add your pedals, if you wish, and work those dials. Sometimes it will come right away, sometimes not, but your sound is there, no modeling, no shortcuts, just tone.
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Old 05-24-2013, 05:51 AM   #191
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Even when playing through an Axe FX and a nice set of monitors, there's just something "missing", it's not "tone" or "feel"... rather, it feels as if even the best made amp modellers are more forgiving, sort of like playing a video game on easy mode or something.

That said, I have rack modellers and use them all the time instead of my tube amps, but I know this, I sure love having both at my disposal.


I agree

There is a feeling that something gets lost when you attack the strings. I don't know how to explain it but it feels like something gets taken away. It just doesnt translate as well as playing through a plain old amp.
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Old 05-25-2013, 02:25 AM   #192
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Anyone ever try out modeling -> Line 6 stagesource?
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Old 05-25-2013, 03:12 AM   #193
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Forget tubes amp's future - why won't this thread die?
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Old 05-25-2013, 11:45 AM   #194
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When the aliens come, we will have the answer. They surely have moved on from tubes.....Or have they?
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Old 05-25-2013, 02:59 PM   #195
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Can I join? I'm in no ways taking Mr. Cathbard's challenge, but wanted to give a contribution on modeller's dynamics.

https://soundcloud.com/adolf1612/fe...g-dynamics-demo

The clip is me playing my Esp Ltd trough my Fender Mustang I, modeling an almost cranked Twin Reverb, recorded directly from usb out, I swear you're not hearing anything other than that, and neither am I showing off my playing (I just first picked the guitar today and did that, so that's me noodling around without any previous warmups or anything).

I won't say that I'm in for Tubes, SS or Modeling, I'm in for Tone, whatever gives me a pleasant tone is good to me.

For an 100$ amp it's not bad (to me), surely recording it the old method with a mic would have sounded better but not having any recording gear is going to make that difficult xD, Opinions?
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Old 05-25-2013, 08:15 PM   #196
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i feel modelling tech will eventually reach a similar level as the best tube amps and be able to react to pick attack and volume like tube amps do. modelling tech is good right now and it can only get better as years go by. you only really need to look in the kempers direction. that thing is a beast.

however, Im not at all a fan of the axe fx so many people praise. sounds so sterile to me.
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Old 05-25-2013, 08:23 PM   #197
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Although I think Modelling amps WILL keep getting better and better, one thing I find they do bad is the tones in between clean and dirty. They do well with metal, hard rock, where it involves some chunky tones, and they handle pure cleans very well. It's those slightly overdriven, subtle breakup tones that sound the worst to me.

For example, lets take PODs for instance:
the Fender clean amp models sound great with the drive really low but when you push em to get that typical breakup sound the coldness of it comes out in full force.

Although POD farm has made for some very quick easy decent recordings.
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