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Old 04-23-2015, 09:56 PM   #5821
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>>Yea, his chord reminded me of it. I was leaning towards a D chord as well since that one was the least complicated way of looking at it, but I didn't know what to call something with both kinds of 7th. I've never run into a "split 7th" before. <<


That's because there's no such thing as a "split seventh" chord.

There are split third chords, however.

This is just another term used to describe a major triad or dominant seventh chord which contains a minor third (thus creating a dominant 7th(#9) sound.)
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Old 04-23-2015, 11:18 PM   #5822
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So what do you call this then?

C E G Bb B

Nothing. It's a simultaneity and has no meaning tonally.

But if we had to, why not C (with both 7ths)?

So yes, while they technically "don't exist"...

Also, technically you could say a split third is the inverse too, some type of minor chord with a major 3rd up top. Context is everything, especially with the chords that we shouldn't even name anyway It's just clusters.

But enough of my psychobabble:

e 0
b 6
g 5
d 6
a 0
e x

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Old 04-24-2015, 05:13 AM   #5823
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e|4
B|2
G|5
D|5
A|0
E|(x)

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Old 04-24-2015, 06:50 AM   #5824
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Also, technically you could say a split third is the inverse too, some type of minor chord with a major 3rd up top.


Not without ignoring Chord Formulas 101.

A minor chord is, by definition, a chord whose third is flatted.

On the other hand, as you know, if you add a minor third to a major triad or dominant 7th chord, then the resulting harmony can be interpreted as a dominant 7(#9) sound since, in this case, b3 and #9 are enharmonic equivalents.

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Old 04-24-2015, 09:58 AM   #5825
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Right of course.

But what interests me is when the entire band is on a minor chord and I comp for it with a voicing containing a both thirds (or just the major one).

I guess we could either agree that I've single-handedly changed it to a #9 chord or that its some kind of minor #13 (gross) chord, but I don't buy it lol.

Anyway that's neither here nor there, we're just theorycrafting at this point. Chords with both thirds are cool.


Tonibet that appears to be A with both 7ths and an added 11. I'm rubbing off on you, clearly.
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Old 04-24-2015, 11:23 AM   #5826
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Tonibet that appears to be A with both 7ths and an added 11. I'm rubbing off on you, clearly.
perhaps you might be, I was considering colloquially reducing it to an A double split (no 5th) haha! your fault.
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