shelovemyguitar

Don't be a smartass. He never said anything about random notes and chords. He asked for precisions. I like to cook too, but it doesn't mean I must only do fine cuisine or else I'm a talentless ******. Good for you if you're really into music theory and stuff, but don't force it to others, and don't forget that knowing more stuff doesn't instantly makes you better. There is no wrong in music, it's a subjective thing.

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20Tigers

There are certain "tricks" that are very common in music, particularly in popular music. Here are some of those tricks...

You have your standard three chord trick which is a song that uses just three chords over and over.
the most common three chord trick uses the chords I IV V. The simplest form of this is a four bar structure I I IV V

Another trick is the four chord trick. It is pretty much the same as the three chord trick but it uses four chords instead of three. The most commong strucutre of the four chord trick uses the uses the same three chords from before and introduces one more chord. It sould be like this
I ? IV V (insert pretty much any other chord into the ? and repeat)

Yet another trick is the use of the chain of fifths. This exploits the strong dominant tonic relationship of the V-I. This root movement always sounds good.

So what we can do is build a chord progression by FOLLOWING each chord with one whose root is a perfect fifth BELOW have a chord (or PRECEDE it with a chord a perfect fifth HIGHER).

We can keep doing this over an over if we want until we get back to the start...
A D G C F Bb Eb Ab Db Gb Cb(B) E A (Cb is enharmonic with B which is a perfect fifth above E)

But often we don't want a chord progression that is 12 chords long. So what happens is we use a smaller chain of fifths and then some other move to get back to the tonic.

If we are in A for example we might use chords with a chain of fifths root movement such as
A D G C
but we want to get back to the tonic A With so many perfect fifth movements it is imporatant we approach the A from the dominant E so that we really tonicize the A chord.
So we have the root movement A D G C E A
Then we can harmonize these roots with the A minor diatonic scale to get
Aminor - Dminor - G - C - E7 - Am (It is normal to use E7 in the key of Am)

Or you can harmonize some of those chords to seventh chords
Am - Dm7 - G7 - C - E7 - Am

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Sleepy__Head

Further stock progressions here ... http://www.angelfire.com/fl4/moneychords/CPFS.html

Personally I'm a sucker for a descending bass line

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mdc

Fair play.

No. But knowledge is power.

Thank you.

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macashmack

How does anything I posted make me an "Arrogant and big-egoed musician"? All i said was saying "**** You" to a guy who posted something was not constructive. If you had post what you just replied to me (saying that you may not need to go the whole nine yards if it isn't your forte) and all that jazz i wouldn't have said anything. You just jumped out of nowhere and cursed at a guy, which isn't very productive for anyone on these forums.

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Modes and scales are intelligent and useful. Start learning them. Seriously.

shelovemyguitar

That part didn't apply to you precisely. And I don't think the answer the guy I said **** you to gave to TS is very productive either.

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amonamarthmetal

Mdc always helps people when they ask chord questions.

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goldfinger69

Woah... Didn't expect a war in my own thread! Peace guys! ....and sure.. there are not such thing as "easy answers".. Also my broken English is one more problem and they can piss out people.. Many things i write or say sound wrong (arrogant etc.)

I studied graphic design .. music is just my hobby.. i got a youtube channel with a bunch of punk covers and some originals (yes i compose original music without any knowledge on music theory)

Here's one of my most succesful video (view-wise) I don't think i suck that bad for amateur...

http://youtu.be/HAHmrcsJz1Y

I play all the instruments, try to sing and produce the songs in my crappy-so-called home-studio I've learned all these in my free time by asking silly questions on forums or watching youtube tutorials..

I could just steal chord progressions from songs with 7ths .. like the song i posted... and try to come up with my own melody.. or try and add 7ths by ear... I think i understand when something sounds good or bad.. but I decided to ask .. maybe there is a gifted UG user who can explain complicated stuff in one paragraph

Peace.. I love you all and thanks everyone who tried to help me

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geaux away

this is similar to what you posted in another thread in which you said you were giving your 2 cents after essentially stating that learning theory applies limitations to one's ability to create music - just as i told you i would like to refund you those 2 cents, i'd like to do the same here

if you dislike the attitudes in here and proceed to immediately lose your temper after being told that your bullshit is, in fact, bullshit (like your "no wrong in music" bit, yet again) just don't visit this forum

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20Tigers

Agreed some people here need to chill out, quit with the personal attacks, and post on topic.

Think before you submit your next post.

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AeolianWolf

that's no excuse for shirking skill. if you have fun with it, have fun with it. if you consciously eschew learning more about what you do, that's your choice -- ignorance is the term, i believe.



no, it doesn't. not until i apply it and own it -- then it does.



then perhaps you should leave the ideas of actually knowing a damn thing about what you do to professionals. you're welcome to go ahead and do your own little thing. if you have fun, great. keep doing it. if you want to use it as an excuse that "lol i enjoy it so i dunt hav 2 study it rite", then that's your choice. i won't belittle you for it - but if you make a scene where you assert your own opinion on how knowing less is, in fact, better (because music is 100% subjective, of course), i WILL put you in your place. don't mistake my words for ego -- instead recognize your own for stupidity. you shouldn't be hating on anyone at all - who are you to hate on anyone? where are your results? how good are you? how much knowledge and skill have you amassed? these are all rhetorical questions, obviously -- i know the answers to them. how? because i know one key thing in life: attitude determines results. just by looking at a person's attitude i can determine their effectiveness, abilities, and, yes, potential. and it's always accurate: positive attitude = positive results, negative attitude = negative results. there is no exception.

bear in mind before you shoot your mouth off with drivel once more that i didn't force anything onto anyone - i came into the thread, reprimanded you (because, frankly, you were being a complete and total ass, and i'm phrasing that nicely), and gave TS the information he sought, then directed him down a path whereby he can learn even more to solve the problems he's facing.

and, for future reference, even if there was a shred of validity to the bullshit you're spewing, you're not doing yourself (or your viewpoint) any justice by talking the way you are. if you come into a forum and introduce yourself by saying "**** you", everyone immediately knows not to listen to you, because you don't even have enough tact to represent yourself properly, much less possess the awareness to make an objective analysis, decision, or accurate method of thought to, well, anything, really.

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91RG350

TS... heres the answer that was behind door number two:

Yes. You can add 7th's to chords if you want.

There are other chord types besides 7th's too. Grab a chord chart and try a few. Some will sound cool and some wont together. Have fun!

If that leads you to asking some more questions, come back and ask

Now, the bad news: This is the Musicians Talk forum. Now that we have chosen door number 2, it has closed forever and there is only one way out- the door with the number "1" on it...

.....we now return you to your regular programming.....

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nugiboy

I like the progression too. It reminds me in parts of Muse's song Unintended.

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funkyfigure8

I never post on here, but man what a godsend. This is an excellent resource for someone who is crazy about composition but really only has a very loose, untrained grasp on even the most basic fundamentals of music making and theory.