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Old 05-21-2013, 09:48 AM   #81
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Which is the reason that you'll probably never find a true Jazz/Metal fusion album. Metal is a much more static genre when it comes to structure, where as Jazz is fluid. It's incredibly difficult to mix the two in the truest sense.
If I'm reading this correctly, then no. While Jazz may be about improvisation, but its fluiditycomes from how the lead is played.

You see Metal is about primitive riffs to form a rhythm. Jazz is all about swing and chords to get rhythm.

Jazz centers around chords. The rhythm, fills, licks and solos all center around chords and strange time signatures, much the same as Reggae.

Now, try playing a song with next to no overdrive on your guitar, never getting louder than the five other band members. Then with your guitar, which has been rendered acoustic, playing at a 284bpm , you have to play C#7sus4, Bbmin9, Faug, D9sus/13. You also have to do this without making a mistake and keep in perfect time, playing these chords by flexing your hand as if you were playing a bass or classical acoustic.

Tl;dr? Fine, I'll make it simple. Don't embarrass yourself trying OP. For, when it comes to skill and sophistication, you got Jazz and then eventually comes everything else
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Old 05-21-2013, 09:58 AM   #82
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Which is the reason that you'll probably never find a true Jazz/Metal fusion album. Metal is a much more static genre when it comes to structure, where as Jazz is fluid. It's incredibly difficult to mix the two in the truest sense.

This is why you get so many metal bands taking influence from (an immature interpretation of) classical/baroque music. The results might be cringe worthy to most non-metalhead classical fans, but it makes sense, being tightly orchestrated with just occasional cadenza. That, and the fact that any guitarist who discovers the harmonic minor scale thinks theyre the coolest thing since Paganini or Blackmore.
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Jazz centers around chords. The rhythm, fills, licks and solos all center around chords and strange time signatures, much the same as Reggae.

Now, try playing a song with next to no overdrive on your guitar, never getting louder than the five other band members. Then with your guitar, which has been rendered acoustic, playing at a 284bpm , you have to play C#7sus4, Bbmin9, Faug, D9sus/13. You also have to do this without making a mistake and keep in perfect time, playing these chords by flexing your hand as if you were playing a bass or classical acoustic.

What are you even talking about?
And jazz is as much about melody as the rhythm, and playing around with that melody to your hearts content.
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Old 05-21-2013, 10:30 AM   #83
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If I'm reading this correctly, then no. While Jazz may be about improvisation, but its fluiditycomes from how the lead is played.

You see Metal is about primitive riffs to form a rhythm. Jazz is all about swing and chords to get rhythm.

Jazz centers around chords. The rhythm, fills, licks and solos all center around chords and strange time signatures, much the same as Reggae.

Now, try playing a song with next to no overdrive on your guitar, never getting louder than the five other band members. Then with your guitar, which has been rendered acoustic, playing at a 284bpm , you have to play C#7sus4, Bbmin9, Faug, D9sus/13. You also have to do this without making a mistake and keep in perfect time, playing these chords by flexing your hand as if you were playing a bass or classical acoustic.

Tl;dr? Fine, I'll make it simple. Don't embarrass yourself trying OP. For, when it comes to skill and sophistication, you got Jazz and then eventually comes everything else


There is so much wrong in that post. It's almost a troll calibre post. Not everything is wrong but...
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Old 05-21-2013, 10:46 AM   #84
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It reminds me of something that a jazz guitar teacher that has never listened to any sort of music other than mainstream dad rock, blues, and Top 40 would.
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Old 05-21-2013, 11:00 AM   #85
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If I'm reading this correctly, then no. While Jazz may be about improvisation, but its fluiditycomes from how the lead is played.

You see Metal is about primitive riffs to form a rhythm. Jazz is all about swing and chords to get rhythm.

Jazz centers around chords. The rhythm, fills, licks and solos all center around chords and strange time signatures, much the same as Reggae.

Now, try playing a song with next to no overdrive on your guitar, never getting louder than the five other band members. Then with your guitar, which has been rendered acoustic, playing at a 284bpm , you have to play C#7sus4, Bbmin9, Faug, D9sus/13. You also have to do this without making a mistake and keep in perfect time, playing these chords by flexing your hand as if you were playing a bass or classical acoustic.

Tl;dr? Fine, I'll make it simple. Don't embarrass yourself trying OP. For, when it comes to skill and sophistication, you got Jazz and then eventually comes everything else

You must be trolling.
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It reminds me of something that a jazz guitar teacher that has never listened to any sort of music other than mainstream dad rock, blues, and Top 40 would.

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Old 05-21-2013, 11:13 AM   #87
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There is so much wrong in that post. It's almost a troll calibre post. Not everything is wrong but...
I'm not attempting to troll at all. If I am mistaken, why not just point out the errors?
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It reminds me of something that a jazz guitar teacher that has never listened to any sort of music other than mainstream dad rock, blues, and Top 40 would.
Since this appears to be about me, the fault with your logic is that I'm eclectic and have listened to much more than what you pointed out. Try again...
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What are you even talking about?
And jazz is as much about melody as the rhythm, and playing around with that melody to your hearts content.
Apparently I was stating the same as you, on the reliance of melody and rhythm.
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Apparently I was stating the same as you, on the reliance of melody and rhythm.

There's something to be said for being succinct and, y'know, not babbling incoherently about time signatures and for some reason reeling off a chord progression and then varnishing in a corrosive layer of elitism.
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There's something to be said for being succinct and, y'know, not babbling incoherently about time signatures and for some reason reeling off a chord progression and then varnishing in a corrosive layer of elitism.
Fair enough... Sorry
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I can't be assed going through all the pages, so I'm not sure if this has been posted yet. It's a pretty great album.

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A friend of mine is in this years One O'clock as Lead Trumpet. He's only a Sophomore in college...

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Since this appears to be about me, the fault with your logic is that I'm eclectic and have listened to much more than what you pointed out. Try again...


I'm not saying that you are. I'm just saying that that is who I would expect such a statement from.
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Try some of this. I dont know whether its what youre looking for but its the first thing that came to mind.


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Old 05-21-2013, 05:06 PM   #97
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Oh dude I forgot to mention; check out Billy Cobham as well. He's actually a drummer, but his fusion stuff is really great.

Check out his album Spectrum:


I second this. Almost forgot Cobham, actually.

There have been some other good suggestions too, like Schofield, and earlier Slipknot is a lot more varied. Diablo Swing Orchestra are a kind of strange mix of rock/metal mixed with swing, with some crazy operatic vocals thrown in. Check out Estradasphere too, they are kind of ****ed, but there is some jazz sounding stuff in there.
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If I'm reading this correctly, then no. While Jazz may be about improvisation, but its fluidity comes from how the lead is played.

You see Metal is about primitive riffs to form a rhythm. Jazz is all about swing and chords to get rhythm.

Jazz centers around chords. The rhythm, fills, licks and solos all center around chords and strange time signatures, much the same as Reggae.

Now, try playing a song with next to no overdrive on your guitar, never getting louder than the five other band members. Then with your guitar, which has been rendered acoustic, playing at a 284bpm , you have to play C#7sus4, Bbmin9, Faug, D9sus/13. You also have to do this without making a mistake and keep in perfect time, playing these chords by flexing your hand as if you were playing a bass or classical acoustic.


Fluid wasn't the right word to use I don't think.

I don't know much about Jazz past what I've listened to and what I've listened to is almost exclusively Bebop. I was just always under the impression that Jazz centered around improvisation more so than odd time signatures are crazy extended chords. I guess I should listen to more traditional stuff.
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Old 05-21-2013, 05:27 PM   #99
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Hey, where the fuck you at, TS?
Don't just throw a vague request/question out there and leave is to fight over it, what's the deal, what is it you were actually looking for/why, you hear anything you like or what?
Or has the jazzfunk infected your brain and knocked you into a comatose state - don't worry, it's fairly common, and not necessarily life threatening.
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Maybe try some of Steven Wilson's work. Here is one song from his latest record



I don't know how jazzy it is though.
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