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Old 11-20-2012, 03:35 PM   #1
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Diatonic chords?

http://www.music-theory-for-musicia...nic-chords.html

I dont get that. Im using the A major scale, and :
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Now last but not least is the seventh: 1,3,5 = G# B D. This chord has a minor third in it (from G# to B) so it is lowercase, but it has a diminished fifth in it (from G# to D) so we put "dim" with it as well so that it looks like this "vii dim"


What chord do they use? G# major? It has both augmented fourht and diminished fifth in it, and technically i could say it got a second and a third and fourth and basically everything by connecting notes to one another - so why bother finding intervals and naming it "vii dim"?
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Old 11-20-2012, 03:39 PM   #2
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Old 11-20-2012, 03:40 PM   #3
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There is no augmented fourth.
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Old 11-20-2012, 04:23 PM   #4
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Diminished fifth and Augmented fourth are two completely different intervals. Rather than give you a wall of text explaining where you're going wrong, I suggest you go out and buy some music theory books up to maybe grades 4 and 5 and learn it properly.
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Old 11-20-2012, 05:06 PM   #5
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Old 11-20-2012, 05:34 PM   #6
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The chords has a minor third, making it a minor chord. The notation the book is teaching you shows minor as lowercase roman numerals. It also has a diminished fifth, making it a diminished triad, which you indicate by adding a "dim" at the end of the lowercase roman numeral.

The chord built from the seventh scale degree of the major scale is a diminished triad. In the case of A major, this chord is G#dim.
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Old 11-20-2012, 05:37 PM   #7
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al chord are buld of athird a fifth and a root

in the major scale the chord built off the 7th degree is a diminshed chord
in A major that note is G# so if you build a chord off the notes in the a major scale you go up a third to the B and up a fifth from G# to D

and the intervals from G# to B is a minor third and from G# to D is a diminished 5th
a diminished chord as you can probably tell has a minor third and a diminisehd fifth interval
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Can we specify that tertian triads are chords built from a root, and stack of thirds (or a third and a 5th), supersac. BEcause all chords are most certainly not built from a third and fifth.


Something that might help you, TS, is to learn how tertian structures, or chords built on thirds work. That will help you with diatonic maj/min/dim plus augmented and lay the ground work for 7ths, 9ths, et al.
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Can we specify that tertian triads are chords built from a root, and stack of thirds (or a third and a 5th), supersac. BEcause all chords are most certainly not built from a third and fifth.


Something that might help you, TS, is to learn how tertian structures, or chords built on thirds work. That will help you with diatonic maj/min/dim plus augmented and lay the ground work for 7ths, 9ths, et al.



of course i should have been more specific but yes your correct
i wrote that post kinda wily nilly
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Can we specify that tertian triads are chords built from a root, and stack of thirds (or a third and a 5th), supersac. BEcause all chords are most certainly not built from a third and fifth.


Something that might help you, TS, is to learn how tertian structures, or chords built on thirds work. That will help you with diatonic maj/min/dim plus augmented and lay the ground work for 7ths, 9ths, et al.



For the love of GOD. Why every website/forum/video/teacher says something else about theory and chords?

Is there a music theory book that actually helps you and teaches you well instead of half assed "music theory" websites?
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Is there a music theory book that actually helps you and teaches you well instead of half assed "music theory" websites?


Some people get obsessed with little details and obscure naming conventions and don't understand how they're confusing rather than helping you.

But your question is confusing, because of your reference to G# major, isn't made up of the notes listed. So there might be some confusion that's hard for us to follow because of that.

G# B and D is not a G# major. G# major would be G#, B#, and D#.

They're counting intervals because they want you to understand how you arrive at a diminished chord. Notice how the intervals from G# to B and B to D are BOTH minor thirds.

If you want a good book on theory, I recommend Shroeder and Wyatt's "Harmony and Theory."
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Is there a music theory book that actually helps you and teaches you well instead of half assed "music theory" websites?


http://www.amazon.com/Everything-Mu...g/dp/B007K4FNHE

As good a start as any. You're welcome.
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Will this book teach me well enough so i can confuse poor souls about complex music theory? I seek understanding, and a little bit of revenge.
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