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Old 02-08-2016, 10:56 AM   #21
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Never really asked a question,
but just looking to learn to solo better,
learn different techniques,
compose better music over my riffs,
theory (but not over simplfied)


1) Composing: learn some Jimi Hendrix tunes by ear if possible - he's great for expanding your chord progression approach ( he destroys conventions in a really approachable way) and he'll help open up the fretboard, especially for rhythm and chord work.

2) start analyzing songs with roman numeral system( II, V, I etc) and mapping out their forms. This is crucial to getting good at writing.

3) Soloing: Mark Knoplfer, Bill Frisell and SRV for phrasing - try learning them by ear. Bill will be a challenge for sure - pay close attention to how he uses sustain and let's things ring out - solos aren't just about 32nd notes, use these players to diversify and learn to use silence effectively.

The best advice I can give you is to learn songs by ear - this should be your focus if you haven't done it yet - it's what makes musicians.
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Old 02-10-2016, 04:13 PM   #22
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I guess it's just me but this whole thread doesn't make much sense. Forest preserves? 15 hours a day? Beam me up Scotty.


He enjoys practicing in a forest preserve. Its probably easier to focus, and nature is fun as fuck. Whats the big deal?

OP is clearly an eager beaver, but he means well
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Old 02-23-2016, 06:27 PM   #23
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15 hours?!

Try to practice in a way that you NEED a break after an hour (meaning don't just let your hands play your instrument, but give your brain a serious workout). Then go outside/read a book. Repeat for four times each day and then go have a life--you can get everything that you need to get done in 4 hours of good practice each day. You don't need to practice doing the same things over and over again, you need to practice getting into a state of mind where you can actively make decisions while you play (fingerings, note choices, articulations, what part of the beat you are playing on etc).
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Old 02-24-2016, 10:57 AM   #24
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15 hours?!

Try to practice in a way that you NEED a break after an hour (meaning don't just let your hands play your instrument, but give your brain a serious workout). Then go outside/read a book. Repeat for four times each day and then go have a life--you can get everything that you need to get done in 4 hours of good practice each day. You don't need to practice doing the same things over and over again, you need to practice getting into a state of mind where you can actively make decisions while you play (fingerings, note choices, articulations, what part of the beat you are playing on etc).


The best players in the world practiced 8 hours or more per day for long periods, normally staring around age 4. Paco Delucia is the prime example - good luck getting there with 4 hours per day. Guthrie Govan, Julian Lage and Kurt Rosenwinkel are other examples.

It all depends on what you are trying to accomplish, if you want to compete with the best players in the world 4 hours per day isn't cutting it. 4 hours per day is like the bare minimum for University students. You can be a decent athlete if you practice a few hours per day, but don't expect to make the Olympics.

I completely agree with you on breaks however, they are super important.
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Old 02-24-2016, 11:29 AM   #25
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4 hours per day is like the bare minimum for University students.


I would say that the "best in the world" train has already left the station for anyone who finds themselves asking the internet for guitar practice advice.

Worth mentioning that a lot of people do play music 8+ hours a day and still nowhere near the best, or even awesome. But they are working professionals with very practical skills for what they do. The choice often comes down to being amazing by yourself or being decent for a paycheck.
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Old 02-28-2016, 11:40 PM   #26
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The best players in the world practiced 8 hours or more per day for long periods, normally staring around age 4. Paco Delucia is the prime example - good luck getting there with 4 hours per day. Guthrie Govan, Julian Lage and Kurt Rosenwinkel are other examples.
It all depends on what you are trying to accomplish, if you want to compete with the best players in the world 4 hours per day isn't cutting it. 4 hours per day is like the bare minimum for University students. You can be a decent athlete if you practice a few hours per day, but don't expect to make the Olympics.


Doubtful. 4 hours with your instrument in your hands is what most university students do. practicing is the process of dwelling on weaknesses, maintaining complete control of your instrument, confronting your weaknesses and learning to do things you could not before. Transcribing is great, but it is not practicing. Jamming is not practicing. Playing tunes you already know using concepts you already know is not necessarily practicing. Learning tunes is not necessarily practicing. If you have an aebersold on, you are probably not practicing. The musicians you mentioned are impressive, but I doubt they spent most of the time with their instruments practicing (being prodigies they needed to work less then most, and being kids I'd imagine they were spending time with their favorite toy, more then focusing on getting things done), and doubt even more that they practice for that many hours while on tour, or before making any recordings that you would like to listen to. The absolute best in the world definitely practice more like 5-6 hours (there are some outliers though, like Vladimir Horowitz who was known to practice for less then 3 hours), but few regularly do more then 8...and once you start performing regularly you need to scale back to avoid injury, and because very, very few people can play their best if they've spent time working their brain out for four hours that day (not just playing the right pitches and rhythms and not mis-reading something or having a memory slip but jelling with the guys their playing with who they may or may not get to rehearse with, depending on the gig improvising well, hearing the tag that gets thrown in at the last minute or catching the conductors down beat through a tricky rubato section etc). Moreover, I've tried both and you can get a lot more done practicing for 2-3 hours and then going and playing with some other people (and maybe even making a little money), while you still have the mental capacity to work effectively and absorb some knowledge.
If you are interested in improving your practice habits here are some resources:

http://www.amazon.com/Effortless-Ma...n/dp/156224003X

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/01...X26B6R57FNNR8H1

http://www.amazon.com/Mastery-Music...astery+of+music

http://www.amazon.com/Inner-Game-Mu...X26B6R57FNNR8H1

http://www.robknopper.com/auditionhacker/

http://www.bulletproofmusician.com/blog/
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Old 02-29-2016, 06:20 PM   #27
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Unless I'm hallucinating, the op started this thread 3 years ago.

So they could tell us, how did the 14 hours a day practice work out?
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Old 03-01-2016, 12:43 AM   #28
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I assume he's either dead or in jail. (jk....i hope)
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