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Old 12-29-2012, 05:35 AM   #1
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What Amp To Pick?

Hello UG,

As most of you know I sold my TriAmp and the JVM410. So now I have money to my perfect amp.

Budget:
I can spend around 1700

Genres:
I would love to be able to get enough gain for HeavenShallBurn-ish kind of metal, but I also play Parkway Drive / Killswitch Engage / Meshuggah / It Dies Today / etc..

My amp needs to be versatile, because I would like to keep it for a while.

New or Used:
Used only, I don't like the price tags on new amps.

Home or Gig:
Home use now, but I don't mind playing on low volume. I would like to have an ampfilier with the possibility to gig, but it's not nessesairy.

Closest City:
I live in the Netherlands but the Dutch part of Belgium is also a consideration to look at.

Current Gear:
Guitar: Ibanez RG1570
Cabinet: Framus 212 with v30's
Effects: Ibanez TS9
Korg Pitchblack
Danelectro Fish&Chips ( I don't like using it )
Artec noise gate

Things I been looking at:
I am a big fan of ENGL,so I have been looking at the higher models of the ENGL series ( PB2, Savage, Invader, SM signature )
I will also consider other amps. I am open to all brands!

Thanks in advance!!!

Greetings,

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Old 12-29-2012, 06:14 AM   #2
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If you like ENGLs, go for the Savage. It's absolutely worth every penny and to me it sounds pretty amazing too. I just don't need something that crushing and all that.

Since you're not on a budget, I wouldn't really suggest the Laney Ironheart but who knows, maybe you'll like how it sounds, so there it is. I thought it sounded absolutely amazing for the price and it definitely has a lot of tone-shaping options.
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Old 12-29-2012, 09:45 AM   #3
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engls are pretty good when it comes to high gainers that are also versatile (and which are reasonable value in europe). and 1700 euros isn't really enough to be within range of the more versatile mesas and bogners.

others off the top of my head would be brunetti, koch, diezel, even laney as sakke said (vh100r is probably worth a try, too).

it's really up to you. As sakke says, you really need to try everything you can, and also try things below your budget in case they're good enough. just because you have 1700 doesn't mean you have to spend 1700. but if the ones at 1700 are noticeably better than cheaper things, it might be worth spending that much.

bear in mind you can use a boost with an amp if it doesn't get heavy enough. that only goes so far- it doesn't turn a fender twin into a 6505, lol- but if a more versatile amp is almost heavy enough, it might do the heavier stuff perfectly with a boost, and may be better at the versatility thing. so that's worth bearing in mind, too.
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Old 12-29-2012, 10:02 AM   #4
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engls are pretty good when it comes to high gainers that are also versatile (and which are reasonable value in europe). and 1700 euros isn't really enough to be within range of the more versatile mesas and bogners.

others off the top of my head would be brunetti, koch, diezel, even laney as sakke said (vh100r is probably worth a try, too).

it's really up to you. As sakke says, you really need to try everything you can, and also try things below your budget in case they're good enough. just because you have 1700 doesn't mean you have to spend 1700. but if the ones at 1700 are noticeably better than cheaper things, it might be worth spending that much.

bear in mind you can use a boost with an amp if it doesn't get heavy enough. that only goes so far- it doesn't turn a fender twin into a 6505, lol- but if a more versatile amp is almost heavy enough, it might do the heavier stuff perfectly with a boost, and may be better at the versatility thing. so that's worth bearing in mind, too.


The Laney VH100R does not pack enough distortion with only itself for what he plays. With his TS9 however, maybe, but I'd go for something little bit heavier. (This I know from own experience, I've got a Laney VH100R )
Yah, it's always good to save a bit, especially for the boost or some other pedals if you need them (you always need them, eventually...). The Laney IT has a built-in boost if I remember right, but for the price it cannot be beaten. The 60-watt version retails here in Finland for less than 750 euros. The Ironheart has got so many options, I won't even start describing them myself..
http://www.laney.co.uk/products/product_details/62

It seems that both guys from Killswitch Engage use it and Andy James too. He switched from Blackstar I believe.
Youtube has also a lot of videos of it (Ola Englund has done one or two too).
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Old 12-29-2012, 11:44 AM   #5
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^ yeah i have a gh50L which is basically your amp's dirty channel (as far as i'm aware). it does have a fair bit of gain, but it's got a crunchy vintage marshally type of edge to the tone rather than that super-saturated/compressed/liquid sustain modern type of high gain tone (a boost helps, but it's still not really *that* modern-sounding even with one). I only suggested it because he said he wanted versatility, and if the vh100R did get heavy enough for him, it'd likely do the lower gain tones better than a lot of the more modern-sounding high gainers. But i agree, if the modern high gain thing is the main concern, those other options might be better.

i haven't tried the ironheart. I think it's cheaper because it's made in china, but whether that actually translates to a worse amp

and yeah if he has a ts9 (i missed that bit ) he's already more or less set for a boost. so trying any amp he tries with a tubescreamer would be a necessity, really. just tell the shop you have a ts9 (if they don't sell them you could bring yours, i suppose) and want to try the amps with a ts9 since that's how you'd be using it in the real world.

Nice to see you around again, Tunder, by the way

And you too sakke (though I've seen you a bit more recently, too).
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Old 12-30-2012, 05:53 AM   #6
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The Laney VH100R does not pack enough distortion with only itself for what he plays. With his TS9 however, maybe, but I'd go for something little bit heavier. (This I know from own experience, I've got a Laney VH100R )
Yah, it's always good to save a bit, especially for the boost or some other pedals if you need them (you always need them, eventually...). The Laney IT has a built-in boost if I remember right, but for the price it cannot be beaten. The 60-watt version retails here in Finland for less than 750 euros. The Ironheart has got so many options, I won't even start describing them myself..
http://www.laney.co.uk/products/product_details/62

It seems that both guys from Killswitch Engage use it and Andy James too. He switched from Blackstar I believe.
Youtube has also a lot of videos of it (Ola Englund has done one or two too).


I will definately check that amp out. Thanks a lot!

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engls are pretty good when it comes to high gainers that are also versatile (and which are reasonable value in europe). and 1700 euros isn't really enough to be within range of the more versatile mesas and bogners.

others off the top of my head would be brunetti, koch, diezel, even laney as sakke said (vh100r is probably worth a try, too).


True, i will test as much as possible before making my decision.

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it's really up to you. As sakke says, you really need to try everything you can, and also try things below your budget in case they're good enough. just because you have 1700 doesn't mean you have to spend 1700. but if the ones at 1700 are noticeably better than cheaper things, it might be worth spending that much.


The cheaper, the better...

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bear in mind you can use a boost with an amp if it doesn't get heavy enough. that only goes so far- it doesn't turn a fender twin into a 6505, lol- but if a more versatile amp is almost heavy enough, it might do the heavier stuff perfectly with a boost, and may be better at the versatility thing. so that's worth bearing in mind, too.


I remembered that already, but thanks for saying it again

I really appreciate all the input!!
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Old 12-30-2012, 09:12 AM   #7
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Old 12-31-2012, 04:15 AM   #8
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Egnater Armageddon or Vengeance would be great options.

Diezel. Dear. God. Diezel.

If you need ridiculous gain, the 6505 has more gain than anyone ever needs ever. It's well under budget, but tons of Pro's use it.

The Savage, Powerball, and SM Sig are all great choices as well.
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Old 01-02-2013, 10:44 AM   #9
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Egnater Armageddon or Vengeance would be great options.

Diezel. Dear. God. Diezel.

If you need ridiculous gain, the 6505 has more gain than anyone ever needs ever. It's well under budget, but tons of Pro's use it.

The Savage, Powerball, and SM Sig are all great choices as well.


Thanks for your input.

Diezel's start used with 2000 though

I honestly never liked the peavey 6505/5150...

I will check out Egnater, thanks for the input!
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Old 05-22-2013, 10:57 AM   #10
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Sorry for the necrobump but! What did you end up with?
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Old 05-22-2013, 11:15 AM   #11
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Sorry for the necrobump but! What did you end up with?


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Old 05-22-2013, 04:23 PM   #12
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Which one?! We want details!
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Old 05-23-2013, 08:29 AM   #13
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Jet City is an underrated brand who have great new prices and really bassey tones. Basically a Marshall but more metal and extra bass.
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Which one?! We want details!


I snagged a ENGL E570 off the national market for 700,00.

I also grabbed a Mesa 295 power amp for 450,00.
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Old 05-26-2013, 07:56 AM   #15
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So you went the rack way?
Why was it that you decided to part ways with your Triamp? :P

And why not make a flash of your new rig?
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Old 05-26-2013, 10:37 AM   #16
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So you went the rack way?
Why was it that you decided to part ways with your Triamp? :P

And why not make a flash of your new rig?


Got too busy with College etc...

I have updated my signature, as sold and bought a few things ;-)

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Shredmachine <--- Seriously, this beast has a new bridge pickup, so it's amazing!! DiMarzio D Activator's are very nice!

That's what I got :P
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Old 05-26-2013, 02:00 PM   #17
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It looks like a brutal rig man! That ESP looks great! I love those superstrats! My main guitar is a Caparison Horus with a BKP Warpig (C-pig) in the bridge. Man that is brutal!

I actually got a Triamp MK1 myself, and I just love it so I was just wondering why you would sell it
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^^ epic rig there. nice to see you around again
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Old 05-26-2013, 04:12 PM   #19
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That poweramp is HUGE!
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