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Old Today, 07:41 AM   #65021
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I wouldn't call it inevitable but it's an easy route for lazy politicians to go down.
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Old Today, 04:05 PM   #65022
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Originally Posted by Banjocal
Of course, but liberalism in general is not synonymous with leftism and leftism implies a greater distaste for the market, whereas liberalism attempts to make the market a fairer one (somehow) and introduces want for greater individual freedom. Ultimately leftism primarily refers to socialist economics rather than acceptance and welcoming of capitalism while believing in the coexistence of individual capital freedom and equality (something almost as contradictory as anarco-capitalism though on a lesser basis).

For these reasons, I consider a comparison between the two to be idiotic because they disagree on the matter of economic system, which is the defining factor as to how the agreeing points work out. imo.

Yeah the right wing are very prone to it and America's actions in destabilising democratically voted socialist nations are evidence enough for this (they not liking to think about the /other/ 9/11). As it is, I don't consider 90% of past attempts at communism to be communism because an autocrat speaks for himself and the class system was still present. It's a quick way of implementing a faux-socialism but it is most certainly not actual communism. Unfortunately the propaganda of a dictator is far more powerful when applied on top of an already capitalist system under change. Cuba seems to be doing well, though, from what I've been told. A couple of Eastern communist countries are thriving in an embarrassing way and Canada has twice attempted at implementing UBI with universal success both times.

I'm very worried about Europe (and surrounding countries) though, Germany are doing better but France and Sweden and the like seem to be implementing some more leftist policies while going really hard on the nationalism. You'd think they'd have learned.

i'd say left-libertarianism is as keen on the freedom you mentioned as the liberal types. but whether it qualifies as liberal or not I dunno.
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