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Old 06-21-2013, 10:29 PM   #2901
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Both of the last posts pretty much sum up why I dislike the newie.

On Ritual, the band was clearly trying to expand their riff lexicon with different rhythms and patterns, ideas, etc. On the new album, the only song that even remotely feels like it's "trying" is Every Rope a Noose. Every other track is literally composed of simplified versions of previous BDM riffs. It's uninspired with no life or real "kick". I find myself zoning out while listening to it, because nothing that happens is as groovey or interesting as Ritual or Nocturnal.

Production wise, it's crisp and clean and perfect, I have no idea what DP is talking about. No mud whatsoever. It's basically the same production job as Ritual, tbh.
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Old 06-21-2013, 11:21 PM   #2902
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Even though I can see that, I can also tell a lot of the riffs are quite derivative from Nocturnal [in Ritual] and they're up a bit in complexity in Everblack lol. If anything it's the pedal point riffs (sort of the majority of their riffwork in basically all albums) in Ritual that feel incredibly simplified/lazy when juxtaposed with Miasma and Nocturnal :/ same with the tremolos..

I see what you mean by the rhythm part.. but aside of the nifty Den of the Picquerist I'd say it was pretty fail with abortions like Malenchantments lol or On Stirring Seas.. :/ if anything I feel like Everblack's an improved version of Ritual. Although it is missing a standout riff like that fast run in Carbonized haha.

Bottomline is I guess I just find Everblack more interesting musically or guitar-work-wise :S which is why I like the intricacies in Miasma and Nocturnal as opposed to the more incredibly simplified Deflorate and slightly more streamlined Ritual.
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Old 06-21-2013, 11:45 PM   #2903
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I'll be honest, I dont like this band, havent for years. Most of their stuff strikes me as being almost exactly the same with variances in how technical it might be or how annoying the vocalist is. But this really made me lol.
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I havent listened to the whole thing but Magero is right. It's crisp and clean and clear and honestly? It sounds so incredibly processed it sounds fake to me.
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Old 06-22-2013, 12:02 AM   #2904
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Even though I can see that, I can also tell a lot of the riffs are quite derivative from Nocturnal [in Ritual] and they're up a bit in complexity in Everblack lol. If anything it's the pedal point riffs (sort of the majority of their riffwork in basically all albums) in Ritual that feel incredibly simplified/lazy when juxtaposed with Miasma and Nocturnal :/ same with the tremolos..

I see what you mean by the rhythm part.. but aside of the nifty Den of the Picquerist I'd say it was pretty fail with abortions like Malenchantments lol or On Stirring Seas.. :/ if anything I feel like Everblack's an improved version of Ritual. Although it is missing a standout riff like that fast run in Carbonized haha.

Bottomline is I guess I just find Everblack more interesting musically or guitar-work-wise :S which is why I like the intricacies in Miasma and Nocturnal as opposed to the more incredibly simplified Deflorate and slightly more streamlined Ritual.

Fair enough, I just feel the exact opposite Malenchantments and On Stirring Seas are two of my favourites because of the rhythmic patterns. Totally unlike them, and they pull it off. However, I really do feel that the pedal tone riffs on Everblack are WAY more simplistic than the ones on Ritual. Listen to the At the Gates worship in The Window's verse riff, and then compare it with the first few tracks from Everblack. It literally feels like Everblack should have come out AFTER Deflorate, and before Ritual to me.

But hey, opinions, etc
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Old 06-22-2013, 12:36 AM   #2905
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haha I was thinking about that actually, the first track is actually really simplistic as you mentioned, most of the others do change though and become more complex. it seems on Ritual most of them were like, **** pedal points, all of them will be the open strings.

That's hilarious though, well maybe it's the -core connection, you like your.. chugs and what not, personally I like it when it's.. done better lol. It seemed fairly dull and uninspired, a lot like the intro to Into the Everblack. Except they at least spiced that up with some octaves haha. I noticed on those they also kinda used what I call "cliche" death metal riffing to where it's like OMG LOOK GUISE WE CAN BE DEATH METAL TOO, but it quite isn't? haha.

Check out Map of Scars though that one's probably my favorite haha. I like what they're doing with the sustained arpeggios.
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Old 06-22-2013, 02:20 AM   #2906
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. It literally feels like Everblack should have come out AFTER Deflorate, and before Ritual to me.

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Im with you there definitely.

Still loving the whole album though.I dont mind that the riffs are a bit on the simple side cause as long as its pleasing to the ears im fine with it. Not every riff has to be a hand breaker to be awesome.

My fav song has to be Sepukku.
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Old 06-22-2013, 08:47 AM   #2907
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It's all about the dynamics for me. Those slower tracks give that album a much more even pace, just as Den of the Picquerist helps balance out the "even faster" side. I still love Nocturnal more than anything, but on the whole "Everblack in comparison to their other works" topic, Ritual feels like their most advanced album to me. Everblack does feel a bit like a watered down version, opposed to a refined version, at least to me.

Least it's not a shit album tbh.
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Old 06-22-2013, 02:28 PM   #2908
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Well I think the refinement went into making some of the types of riffs on Ritual more complex. I think the impression from the first track overpowered anything else you heard though tbh. What I noticed is they took away from parts that I found as detrimental in Ritual and added in others that I also saw the same way, as if they tailored it for me to like it better. hahaha.

I don't really see it as advanced in any way beyond "oh look we have more technically able solos now" Because the riffs are that much simpler than Nocturnal. They have more leads now though, albeit some are still fairly simple but effective (The Raven).

I guess I can see what you mean but when it comes to dynamics or changes.. the note movement and the note choice have to be interesting to me, and well in this case, for me, it wasn't lol. I felt like they decided oh hey let's add one of those funky start stop riffs, no don't bother to make it our own. In a way it's like my favorite albums of theirs seem to be more.. dense in some way? where as Ritual feels way thin. lol

Anyway my order's probably like... Nocturnal > Miasma > Everblack > Unhallowed/Ritual

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Old 11-21-2013, 04:27 PM   #2909
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so what's people's favorite song off Everblack?
Mine is probably RIHBVOT
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Old 11-21-2013, 08:27 PM   #2910
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Actually I haven't listened to it yet, but I did like the track that Ryan did the demonstration video with. I think I'll listen to it tonight.
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Old 11-22-2013, 07:34 PM   #2911
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Map of Scars, it topped into my top 5 or top 10 TBDM
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