Go Back   UG Community @ Ultimate-Guitar.Com > Instruments > Gear Building & Customizing
User Name  
Password
Search:

Reply
Old 12-30-2012, 04:58 AM   #21
gib_ber
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
check the trust-rod. Usually you have to loosen the trust-rod a bit when you change your strings from heavier to lighter.
gib_ber is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-30-2012, 10:11 AM   #22
makutoid
Registered Rocker
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lavatain
I wouldn't use superglue, as if you ever need to change the nut in the future, you might have a hard time removing it, and also you may put it on wrong the first time. Use a wood glue that isn't too strong. As for the question of nut width, measure your current one, and also the distance between the high and low E strings, as some nuts have different spacing, though the same width. Wherever you choose to buy a new nut from should tell you that.


Thanks dude, I've checked it all and found one that looks about right (finding a 42mm nut for an LP style was a pain in the ass, mostly seem to be for strats and teles)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Explorerbuilder
Come on guys...
If it didnt buzz with 10s and it buzzes open strings with 9s... the lighter gauge strings are sitting lower in the nut slot and hitting the first fret.


Uh, we kind of established that in the first few comments..
__________________

Complete Yamaha Super Flighter Collection

Marshall JCM600 2x12
Marshall JCM900 4100
Marshall 1960A 4x12

New Pedalboard in progress..
makutoid is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-30-2012, 10:29 AM   #23
makutoid
Registered Rocker
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Quote:
Originally Posted by gib_ber
check the trust-rod. Usually you have to loosen the trust-rod a bit when you change your strings from heavier to lighter.


Done the truss rod, that was the first thing I did after changing the strings. Hit two birds with one stone as it was bowing horribly anyway...

New problem!

Another thing, is that the low E string is buzzing quite badly around frets 6 to 9, and not really sure why.. The truss rod is fine now (done that a lot so I know it's right) and every other string is OK, it's just those few frets.

Any thoughts??
__________________

Complete Yamaha Super Flighter Collection

Marshall JCM600 2x12
Marshall JCM900 4100
Marshall 1960A 4x12

New Pedalboard in progress..
makutoid is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-30-2012, 12:15 PM   #24
Robbgnarly
Registered User
 
Robbgnarly's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: NSB, FL
sounds like you have some high frets. I suggest you take your guitar to a good luthier/tech and have them give it a once over
__________________
2002 PRS CE22
2013 G&L ASAT Deluxe
2009 Epiphone G-400 (SH-4)
Marshall JCM2000 DSL100
Krank 1980 Jr 20watt
Krank Rev 4x12 (eminence V12)
GFS Greenie/Digitech Bad Monkey
Morley Bad Horsie 2
MXR Smart Gate
Robbgnarly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-30-2012, 12:18 PM   #25
makutoid
Registered Rocker
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Quote:
Originally Posted by Robbgnarly
sounds like you have some high frets. I suggest you take your guitar to a good luthier/tech and have them give it a once over


That's the plan. However for now, is there a quick test you can suggest to guarantee that it's high frets and not anything else? Not that I can think of anything else it might be... Also, to identify which frets are the high ones?
__________________

Complete Yamaha Super Flighter Collection

Marshall JCM600 2x12
Marshall JCM900 4100
Marshall 1960A 4x12

New Pedalboard in progress..
makutoid is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-30-2012, 01:14 PM   #26
Robbgnarly
Registered User
 
Robbgnarly's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: NSB, FL
Quote:
Originally Posted by makutoid
That's the plan. However for now, is there a quick test you can suggest to guarantee that it's high frets and not anything else? Not that I can think of anything else it might be... Also, to identify which frets are the high ones?

take a straight edge like a ruler and lay it on the frets and see if there is any space between the edge and any frets (this will help see if you have any low frets) or if there is any place that the ruler teeters (this will tell if you have any high frets).

A standard ruler will work fine, but if you have a 20 inch (or close to it) straight edge that would be better because you can lay it on all or most of the frets at one time.

And don't just put the straight edge in one place, move it around to diffrent areas on the same frets (like where your diffrent strings are.

EDIT: remove all strings before you do this and try to get the neck as straght as possibe.
__________________
2002 PRS CE22
2013 G&L ASAT Deluxe
2009 Epiphone G-400 (SH-4)
Marshall JCM2000 DSL100
Krank 1980 Jr 20watt
Krank Rev 4x12 (eminence V12)
GFS Greenie/Digitech Bad Monkey
Morley Bad Horsie 2
MXR Smart Gate

Last edited by Robbgnarly : 12-30-2012 at 01:16 PM.
Robbgnarly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-30-2012, 01:34 PM   #27
makutoid
Registered Rocker
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Quote:
Originally Posted by Robbgnarly
take a straight edge like a ruler and lay it on the frets and see if there is any space between the edge and any frets (this will help see if you have any low frets) or if there is any place that the ruler teeters (this will tell if you have any high frets).

A standard ruler will work fine, but if you have a 20 inch (or close to it) straight edge that would be better because you can lay it on all or most of the frets at one time.

And don't just put the straight edge in one place, move it around to diffrent areas on the same frets (like where your diffrent strings are.

EDIT: remove all strings before you do this and try to get the neck as straght as possibe.


Done, the ruler teeters towards the headstock from the 8th fret, but doesn't teeter towards the bridge at all. Any idea what that means? :P
__________________

Complete Yamaha Super Flighter Collection

Marshall JCM600 2x12
Marshall JCM900 4100
Marshall 1960A 4x12

New Pedalboard in progress..
makutoid is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-30-2012, 01:47 PM   #28
Robbgnarly
Registered User
 
Robbgnarly's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: NSB, FL
It sounds like your 8th fret is high, but I can't be sure with out having it in my hand
__________________
2002 PRS CE22
2013 G&L ASAT Deluxe
2009 Epiphone G-400 (SH-4)
Marshall JCM2000 DSL100
Krank 1980 Jr 20watt
Krank Rev 4x12 (eminence V12)
GFS Greenie/Digitech Bad Monkey
Morley Bad Horsie 2
MXR Smart Gate
Robbgnarly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-30-2012, 01:51 PM   #29
makutoid
Registered Rocker
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Quote:
Originally Posted by Robbgnarly
It sounds like your 8th fret is high, but I can't be sure with out having it in my hand


That's what I thought, but surely then it would also teeter towards to bridge as well if it was just that one fret which was high?
__________________

Complete Yamaha Super Flighter Collection

Marshall JCM600 2x12
Marshall JCM900 4100
Marshall 1960A 4x12

New Pedalboard in progress..
makutoid is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-30-2012, 02:42 PM   #30
Robbgnarly
Registered User
 
Robbgnarly's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: NSB, FL
Quote:
Originally Posted by makutoid
That's what I thought, but surely then it would also teeter towards to bridge as well if it was just that one fret which was high?

Well it may also mean that the frets twards the headstock are worn down. Like i said I really cant tell for sure with out having it in hand.
__________________
2002 PRS CE22
2013 G&L ASAT Deluxe
2009 Epiphone G-400 (SH-4)
Marshall JCM2000 DSL100
Krank 1980 Jr 20watt
Krank Rev 4x12 (eminence V12)
GFS Greenie/Digitech Bad Monkey
Morley Bad Horsie 2
MXR Smart Gate
Robbgnarly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-30-2012, 02:44 PM   #31
makutoid
Registered Rocker
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Quote:
Originally Posted by Robbgnarly
Well it may also mean that the frets twards the headstock are worn down. Like i said I really cant tell for sure with out having it in hand.


Yeah that's fair enough Thanks for you help mate, I've just found a respected luthier local to me who will do a full set-up (including fret levelling and polishing) for 60, so I'm probably gonna have him take a look at it for me, give it the full treatment.

Ordered a new nut too so I'll be fitting that when it arrives. I'll find a tacky wood glue to hold it in place if I can
__________________

Complete Yamaha Super Flighter Collection

Marshall JCM600 2x12
Marshall JCM900 4100
Marshall 1960A 4x12

New Pedalboard in progress..
makutoid is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-30-2012, 03:59 PM   #32
Robbgnarly
Registered User
 
Robbgnarly's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: NSB, FL
I use super glue to hold nuts in place. all you need is a little, the strings hold it in place for the most part

And if the luthier is doing all that, you may want to have him fit the new nut.
__________________
2002 PRS CE22
2013 G&L ASAT Deluxe
2009 Epiphone G-400 (SH-4)
Marshall JCM2000 DSL100
Krank 1980 Jr 20watt
Krank Rev 4x12 (eminence V12)
GFS Greenie/Digitech Bad Monkey
Morley Bad Horsie 2
MXR Smart Gate
Robbgnarly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-30-2012, 04:35 PM   #33
makutoid
Registered Rocker
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Quote:
Originally Posted by Robbgnarly
I use super glue to hold nuts in place. all you need is a little, the strings hold it in place for the most part

And if the luthier is doing all that, you may want to have him fit the new nut.


Getting the luthier to do it is the smart thing to do, I know, however it'll be a while before I can do that as a friend is holding onto the guitar for a few months until I can actually pay for it...long story

Fitting a new nut isn't difficult surely?
__________________

Complete Yamaha Super Flighter Collection

Marshall JCM600 2x12
Marshall JCM900 4100
Marshall 1960A 4x12

New Pedalboard in progress..
makutoid is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-30-2012, 04:38 PM   #34
Robbgnarly
Registered User
 
Robbgnarly's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: NSB, FL
Quote:
Originally Posted by makutoid
Getting the luthier to do it is the smart thing to do, I know, however it'll be a while before I can do that as a friend is holding onto the guitar for a few months until I can actually pay for it...long story

Fitting a new nut isn't difficult surely?


No it is not hard. There are lots of places that sell pre-sloted nuts. I like Bone and Graphtech nuts. You can get an Earvanna compensated nut (it make intonation even better and easier) but they are quite expensive.
__________________
2002 PRS CE22
2013 G&L ASAT Deluxe
2009 Epiphone G-400 (SH-4)
Marshall JCM2000 DSL100
Krank 1980 Jr 20watt
Krank Rev 4x12 (eminence V12)
GFS Greenie/Digitech Bad Monkey
Morley Bad Horsie 2
MXR Smart Gate
Robbgnarly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-30-2012, 04:43 PM   #35
makutoid
Registered Rocker
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Quote:
Originally Posted by Robbgnarly
No it is not hard. There are lots of places that sell pre-sloted nuts. I like Bone and Graphtech nuts. You can get an Earvanna compensated nut (it make intonation even better and easier) but they are quite expensive.


Yeah I've just ordered a Graphtech, have high hopes considering the reviews! It literally is just a matter or lining it up right and glueing it in (assuming the slots are the right depth) right?
__________________

Complete Yamaha Super Flighter Collection

Marshall JCM600 2x12
Marshall JCM900 4100
Marshall 1960A 4x12

New Pedalboard in progress..
makutoid is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-30-2012, 04:47 PM   #36
Robbgnarly
Registered User
 
Robbgnarly's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: NSB, FL
Quote:
Originally Posted by makutoid
Yeah I've just ordered a Graphtech, have high hopes considering the reviews! It literally is just a matter or lining it up right and glueing it in (assuming the slots are the right depth) right?

You did actually mesure the nut size right (not being a dick, just making sure)? But they do come in several diff sizes and shapes.
__________________
2002 PRS CE22
2013 G&L ASAT Deluxe
2009 Epiphone G-400 (SH-4)
Marshall JCM2000 DSL100
Krank 1980 Jr 20watt
Krank Rev 4x12 (eminence V12)
GFS Greenie/Digitech Bad Monkey
Morley Bad Horsie 2
MXR Smart Gate
Robbgnarly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-30-2012, 05:02 PM   #37
makutoid
Registered Rocker
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Quote:
Originally Posted by Robbgnarly
You did actually mesure the nut size right (not being a dick, just making sure)? But they do come in several diff sizes and shapes.


Yeah yeah of course I stated incorrectly in a previous comment but correct measurements for mine are 43mm x 5.3mm x 9mm measured with digital calliper rather than my dad's tape measure Spacing from E to E is 35mm
__________________

Complete Yamaha Super Flighter Collection

Marshall JCM600 2x12
Marshall JCM900 4100
Marshall 1960A 4x12

New Pedalboard in progress..
makutoid is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-30-2012, 05:48 PM   #38
Robbgnarly
Registered User
 
Robbgnarly's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: NSB, FL
Quote:
Originally Posted by makutoid
Yeah yeah of course I stated incorrectly in a previous comment but correct measurements for mine are 43mm x 5.3mm x 9mm measured with digital calliper rather than my dad's tape measure Spacing from E to E is 35mm

OK I was just making sure
Good luck
__________________
2002 PRS CE22
2013 G&L ASAT Deluxe
2009 Epiphone G-400 (SH-4)
Marshall JCM2000 DSL100
Krank 1980 Jr 20watt
Krank Rev 4x12 (eminence V12)
GFS Greenie/Digitech Bad Monkey
Morley Bad Horsie 2
MXR Smart Gate
Robbgnarly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-30-2012, 05:58 PM   #39
makutoid
Registered Rocker
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Quote:
Originally Posted by Robbgnarly
OK I was just making sure
Good luck


Sweet, thanks
__________________

Complete Yamaha Super Flighter Collection

Marshall JCM600 2x12
Marshall JCM900 4100
Marshall 1960A 4x12

New Pedalboard in progress..
makutoid is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:56 AM.

Forum Archives / About / Terms of Use / Advertise / Contact / Ultimate-Guitar.Com © 2014
Powered by: vBulletin Version 3.0.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.