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Old 01-27-2013, 11:12 PM   #1
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New to Jazz. I have no idea where to start.

Hey guys,

I want to get more into jazz and have no idea where to start.

Currently I'm just listening to Jazz tagged music on last.fm. I also looked at the suggested artists thread stickied to the top, but there are too many lol and last time I tried something like that I ended up more confused

Any artists who you suggest?

Thank you!
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Old 01-28-2013, 12:59 AM   #2
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Look up articles on Freddie Green style jazz guitar. He was in a group called Count Basie.


He uses triads (3 note chords) to represent full jazz chords making it easy to compliment the piano.
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Old 01-28-2013, 01:25 AM   #3
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Hey guys,

I want to get more into jazz and have no idea where to start.

Currently I'm just listening to Jazz tagged music on last.fm. I also looked at the suggested artists thread stickied to the top, but there are too many lol and last time I tried something like that I ended up more confused

Any artists who you suggest?

Thank you!


For guitar based jazz, check out Django Reinhardt, Bireli Lagrene, and Grant Green. Django played gypsy jazz, which is cool as ****, and Green played a more blues-based style, which is also pretty cool. Good entry points for guitar jazz. Bireli Lagrene is like shreddy gypsy/latin fusion stuff. With a name like technical death, you'll probably like it.

For not guitar stuff, try Charles Mingus, Buddy Rich, Miles Davis, the usual stuff.


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He was in a group called Count Basie....

Count Basie is the name of a pianist, not the group. He's really good though, cool swing shit.

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He uses triads (3 note chords) to represent full jazz chords making it easy to compliment the piano.


The guy in this video isn't exactly playing triads. A triad isn't just a 3 note chord, it's the root, 3rd, and 5th of a chord. This dude tends to ignore the fifth, and only play the root, 3rd, and 7th, which are what give jazz chords their identity, flavor, and jazz, respectively.
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Old 01-28-2013, 02:26 PM   #4
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Hey guys, I'm looking for something that sounds a little more 'wrenching'/dissonant then Something Old, Something New, Blue Train,..But not really free-jazz yet. Does that make sense?
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Old 01-28-2013, 05:09 PM   #5
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Hey guys, I'm looking for something that sounds a little more 'wrenching'/dissonant then Something Old, Something New, Blue Train,..But not really free-jazz yet. Does that make sense?
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I think I understand. Here's a few starting recomendations

Sun ra (Pretty much anything, I like sound of joy and lanquidity)
some mingus groups (Changes 1 and 2)
maria schneider (Coming about)
Wayne shorter (Night Dreamer and Speak no Evil)
thelonius monk (anything)
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Old 01-29-2013, 06:16 PM   #6
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Awesome.

I checked out a few of Sun Ra's works. It was quite an experience listening to them!

I will check out the other works you guys recommended. Thank you so much!
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Old 02-05-2013, 02:11 PM   #7
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Charles Mingus's Black Saint and the Sinner Lady is one of the best albums ever made. If you like jazz at all, you have no excuse to not listen to it. Some darker modern jazz that's easily digestible would be The Kilimanjaro Darkjazz Ensemble, and Bohren & Der Club of Gore.





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Old 02-06-2013, 05:12 PM   #8
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miles davis
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wynton marsalis
roy hargrove
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and those are just the trumpet players you should be checking out!

EDIT: also, if you or anyone want to check out the thread in my sig you're more than welcome to come over to the MT forum and participate/read/play.
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Old 02-07-2013, 01:52 PM   #9
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Someone else mentioned Charles Mingus, check out his album Blues and Roots as well. That man could do no wrong.

Also, early Miles Davis fusion is the shizzle. Check out In A Silent Way, Bitches Brew and A Tribute to Jack Johnson. (John McLaughlin, the guitarist on these albums, started his own band Mahavishnu Orchestra, which you absolutely HAVE to listen to if you're a guitarist. It was shred before shred existed, and shred before shred became dominated by self-centric wankers.)

And Obviously, Charlie Parker and Dizzy Gillespie. The fathers of modern jazz.
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Old 02-07-2013, 06:09 PM   #10
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Listen to Kind of Blue by Miles Davis.

My jazz piano teacher recommended it to several times and it doesn't disappoint.
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Old 02-12-2013, 09:42 PM   #11
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Charles Mingus's Black Saint and the Sinner Lady


Excellent album but not necessarily an album I would recommend to someone new. I think that album is best appreciated with acquired taste.

These are the albums I remember first starting out with:

John Coltrane - Giant Steps
Miles Davis - Kind of Blue
Pat Metheny - Question & Answer (Though not essential, I instantly loved it and Pat Metheny's music. One of my Top 5 avorite albums).



Wayne Shorter
Freddie Hubbard
McCoy Tyner
Bill Evans
Keith Jarrett
Art Blakey and the Jazz Messengers
Pat Metheny

Check out Allmusic.com to listen and get ideas.
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Old 02-14-2013, 08:26 AM   #12
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I agree with most of these posts, start with Kind OF Blues and learn So What, then you can pracitce modal Jazz improvisation. Which means you practice soloing using a mode over one chord, in this case it's the D Dorian mode. So What is a great way to learn and practice putting modes into a tune, there are also some really reat backing tracks out there for this to play over, try this one i found the other day:



It's a backing track for Impressions by John Coltrane, which is for all intents and purposes the same a s So What.

When you are through with soloing over one chord I go with dimarzio77's suggestion which is to learn a Jazz Blues progression and work on some Freddie Green Chord Voicings. As the Blues s so familiar on the ears it's an easier access point into the more complicated and as you are finding overwhelming world of Jazz. Once you have the progression down start working on some Bebop Blues licks that fit over the top. Then try some chord substitutions, then start listening to some Lenny Breau Progressions and some Wes Montgomery Licks.....see where it takes you!

This should keep you busy for quite some time!
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Old 02-20-2013, 06:11 AM   #13
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Hey guys. Anyone know if there's any way i can download or buy all of django's music?
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Old 02-20-2013, 05:56 PM   #14
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google or itunes, plenty of collections probably exist


not to shit on anyone here but I feel like the whole collection isn't worth it
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Old 02-20-2013, 09:38 PM   #15
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Buy a copy of birth of the cool, both the album and the complete score. Then follow along in the score when you listen. It's probably the single most helpful thing I ever did when it comes to jazz. Birth of the cool is good for this because it acts as a nexus of three very popular jazz styles - swing, bebop, and cool jazz.
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Old 03-07-2013, 06:16 PM   #16
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Jazz is a language and to learn to speak any language you need to listen it first and learn by imitation (thatīs how all of us learnt how to speak). If you want to learn Jazz you need to listen to it until you understand whats about. You might like to start by listening to Kind of Blue by Miles Davis which is a great way to start. IMO anything from Blue Note in the 60s is just great and some of the older stuff by Charlie Parker and Dizzy Gillespie are really great to getting into it. Here are some records you should look at:

Kind of Blue - Miles Davis
Bags Groove - Miles Davis
Miles Smiles - Miles Davis
Birth of The Cool - Miles Davis
Smokin At the Half Note - Wes Montgomery
The Bridge - Sonny Rollins
Tennor Madness - Sonny Rollins
Blue Train - John Coltrane
Giant Steps - John Coltrane
Speak No Evil - Wayne Shorter
Maiden Voyage - Herbie Hancock
Ready for Freddie - Freddie Hubbard
Solid - Grant Green
Monks Dream - Thelonius Monk
Straight No Chaser - Thelonius Monk
Pithenanthropus Erectus - Charles Mingus
Mingus Ah Um - Charlse Mingus
Complete Savoy Sessions - Charlie Parker
Virtuoso - Joe Pass

That will be good for some time.
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Old 03-17-2013, 12:33 PM   #17
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Try Bright Size Life by Pat Metheny....a tad bit on the fusion side, though.

And if you're feeling really adventurous, try Ask The Ages by Sonny Sharrock.
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Old 04-02-2013, 07:45 AM   #18
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Bitches Brew by Miles Davis features some really insane guitar work, Mclaughlin is all over the ****in place. unbelievable stuff.
I simply loved all the Joe Pass stuff. Very gentle, tasteful and virtuosic playing.
Django Rheinhardt goes without saying. One of the most inspirational artists ive ever listened to.
Regarding fusion, i think Allan Holdsworth is the shit. Even guys like Vai or Govan regard him as one of the best ever.
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Old 04-19-2013, 12:16 PM   #19
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The first jazz album I bought was the Number 1 Jazz Album Ever. 200 different songs for about $10 on iTunes.

Check it out here: http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-No-Jazz...r/dp/B005EPCVY4

My favourite song is Dial S for Sonny (Sonny Clark)
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