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Old 10-29-2013, 07:39 AM   #1
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rosewood saddle

hiyer guys. iv been thinking of trying to make my martin drs2 a bit darker and mellower sounding. i was reading about rosewood saddles and whatnot, the guitar came fitted with a tusq saddle which sounds lovely and all but having never experimented with the saddle of this or indeed any guitar iv owned i may be missing out on something even better.
my real question is where do i find such a saddle as having looked online and on amazon i have only found entire bridge replacements which is not what i want.

is there one universal size for saddles or do i need to check that? i also might change the bridge pins for rosewood ones aswell.
on a side note i have after many years playing noticed that as i play certain chords my pinky on my left hand is like stretching away from the neck and snaking about in a ******ed fashion and its this part of my hand that seems to cause me grief. is that normal or do i need to train that finger to stay close to the others??

hope you can handle the noobishness of these questions.

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Old 10-29-2013, 07:47 AM   #2
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Maybe you could try contacting a local luthier, and seeing if they could custom make the parts for you. Of course, I assume, this would be more expensive, but if you really can't find them anywhere it might be your best bet.
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Old 10-29-2013, 09:32 AM   #3
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Using wood for saddle material might be problematic... A Google search only showed items for Rosewood bridges intended to hold a normal saddle.
It seems to me that I have seen ebony so used.... You might try STewMac.
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Old 10-29-2013, 11:29 AM   #4
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You are mistaking the bridge material for the saddle one. Bridges are usually made of wood (rosewod, ebony etc.) while saddles are made of bone, plastic and bone imitating plastic (like the tusq).
Anyway ask someone with experience before doing any modifications to your guitar.
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Old 10-29-2013, 06:13 PM   #5
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You are mistaking the bridge material for the saddle one. Bridges are usually made of wood (rosewod, ebony etc.) while saddles are made of bone, plastic and bone imitating plastic (like the tusq).
Anyway ask someone with experience before doing any modifications to your guitar.


i have managed to find one now.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=r...tml%3B250%3B342

they seem to be pretty rare though. i think i will go with the contacting a luthier idea.
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Old 10-29-2013, 06:42 PM   #6
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i have managed to find one now.
No, you didn't.

Apparently there's a language barrier between Old Blighty, and the uppity colonies.

What they're calling a "saddle" we know as a "bridge". Really.

In American English, the "saddle, is the (usually) white part that pushes into the slot in the "bridge", which is the wooden part that is glued to the top of the guitar.

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Old 10-29-2013, 07:32 PM   #7
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give Bob Colosi an e-mail shout. he is the saddle and bridgepin guru of the known universe.
http://search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oG...om/products.asp
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Old 10-29-2013, 08:13 PM   #8
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No, you didn't.

Apparently there's a language barrier between Old Blighty, and the uppity colonies.

What they're calling a "saddle" we know as a "bridge". Really.

In American English, the "saddle, is the (usually) white part that pushes into the slot in the "bridge", which is the wooden part that is glued to the top of the guitar.


lol really? whod have thought it.

so in ye olde english what is the white part that slots onto the bridge??

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Old 10-29-2013, 08:46 PM   #9
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Verily, I hath not the slightest inkling.
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Old 10-29-2013, 08:54 PM   #10
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i didn't sign up for an English Compostion class..... Alex, I'll take woodchuck love for $300
i'd try some medium PB strings first.
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Old 11-01-2013, 01:29 PM   #11
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Well I've been playing guitar in Old Blighty for nearly 50 years and I've always understood the bridge to be the, usually, wooden piece which holds the, usually, bone strip over which the strings pass, the equivalent of the nut at the head end.
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Old 11-01-2013, 03:26 PM   #12
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Well I've been playing guitar in Old Blighty for nearly 50 years and I've always understood the bridge to be the, usually, wooden piece which holds the, usually, bone strip over which the strings pass, the equivalent of the nut at the head end.
You would have to follow the link to Amazon.uk, to understand what I'm talking about. The Amazon page is confused, (as well as TS,I believe), and shows images of bridges, but labels them as "saddles". (At least it did when I clicked on it)

So, that kind of reinforced TS's misconception about the part he is seeking.

It's also good to know I can communicate with someone in the UK, in a common vernacular... (Lay off the Cockney slang though.....,pretty please)? You'd just draw a blank. I bought an early "Genesis" album, but gave up on them when I didn't understand one damned thing they were talking about or referencing....

I got "The Who" though, big time.

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Old 11-07-2013, 02:34 PM   #13
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I would agree with Stepchild... before changing saddles, try different strings. If you are currently using 80/20 bronze, try phosphor/bronze. They tend to be not as bright. Perhaps try some coated strings or silk/steel.

I've made ebony nuts for some old guitars I've restored, but never a saddle. If you are intent on trying a rosewood saddle that should be pretty easy to make and install. I'm not sure where you're located, but I could probably whip one up for you.

By the way, the bridge on your DRS2 is made of richlite... a synthetic material that is supposed to look and sound like ebony. A rosewood bridge may indeed change the tone slightly but it takes a lot more to change a bridge than a saddle.

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Old 11-07-2013, 05:51 PM   #14
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Listen guys, if the fingerboard is rosewood, then the bridge is almost certainly as well.

Generally, the two items are made from the same species of wood. If you have an ebony fingerboard, then the bridge is likely ebony as well.

Most of these grand quests are hysterically or delusionally, or obsessive compulsively driven anyway.

You'll have a much wider range of tonality by virtue of the sound changing though the life of a string set, or a few cycles of humidity, than you would ever experience by changing the bridge.

Let it go! Changing the bridge is major surgery. It's the kind of thing you should take very good care of your guitar to avoid, not rush into.
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Old 07-07-2015, 10:31 PM   #15
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I know this is a very old post but I own a DRS2 so I have to post a response.. Te wooden part at the bottom of your guitar right behind the sound hole is actually the bridge, and the wood that yours is made of is a newer material very much like ebony. I would leave it as it s for a few reasons. One outside of actual ebony what you have is about as good as you can get. The next and biggest reason is that it is really not going to have any noticeable difference that you would be able to hear. Trust me on this.
Here is what I would do s it is what I did to the one I purchased. The white strip under your strings seated in a slot in that wooden bridge is called a saddle. The one that your guitar came with is Tusq, they say is transfers sound very well to the pickup and that is why they chose that materiel. But I would change it out to one made of bone. I have found that regardless of reasons for using Tusc is it still basically plastic which is a very very poor conductor of sound vibrations where as bone is excellent at this. I heard a huge difference right away. Later on you may want to have a Martin certified and I can't stress Martin certified luthier enough as it will keep your warranty in tack. Anyway have them carve you and install a bone nut. Your saddle and nut are the 2 biggest reasons for sound quality or lack of on your guitar as far as where your strings are connected or touching. The wood of the guitar itself is the biggest part of how your guitar sounds and on that particular guitar for the price you can't beat the wood it is made of. Besides trying to change that would be a major waste of time and money. Changing a guitars wood composition would cost more than just purchasing a new guitar made of what you want. Back to what I would change. So far, bone saddle and when you can afford to have a bone nut carved and installed. Last and this one is always open to debate but I like the sound difference where others say they hear no difference at all and that is your bridge pins. The ones that came in your guitar and in fact come stock in almost all Martin guitars unless you custom order otherwise are made of plastic. I purchased some also made of bone and replaced the plastic ones. I have several friends that own D-18's and my DRS2 sounds extremely close to their D-18's. Now a D-18 is made of a much more expensive wood and already comes with a bone saddle and nut as well as an ebony fretboard and the bridge is also made of ebony but it costs well over twice what a DRS2 costs. I have about 200 U.S. dollars in upgrades in my DRS2 and they were very well worth it. When most people hear my guitar they almost always assume it is a D-18, I only tell them if they ask lol. Those are the changes I would make, and I say this from experience as I have the same exact upgrades. Now where to get these parts. You can always get a drop n fit saddle from Martin. I would ask for the #2 saddle if you order one from them as it fits very very well and most of the time does not need to be lowered. As far as the nut, Martin will only sell blanks as most of the time the nut needs to be set up and cut once it is attached to your guitar. A good Martin certified lutheir should have no problem with making and installing one for you, prices for that range from as little as 50 U.S. dollars to as much as 200 U.S. dollars. The saddle from Martin will run you about 25 U.S. dollars. Another place right up the road from the Martin factory is a music center called Maury's Music, do a google search for for them. You can get saddles from them as well and the bridge pins I talked about earlier he offers them made of all sorts of materials in different price ranges. I would stick with just bone.

As I said I know this post is very old but maybe someone else that has purchased a DRS Road series Martin can get some use out of this information.

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