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Old 12-09-2012, 10:42 AM   #21
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Old 12-09-2012, 10:48 AM   #22
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gah why do you keep calling the jca a fake.

it's literally a slo made in china with cheaper parts, designed by mike.

a bugera is a fake that's reversed engineered and made with leftover garbage.
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Old 12-09-2012, 11:03 AM   #23
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Yeah. I have no problem with clones whatsoever, I make clones myself, but that was the most bizarre thing I've read for quite some time. Some clones are better than the real thing. The primary point was that they are clones made by Behringer, not that they are clones. Behringer set the standard for "cheap and nasty." They are the "cheap and nasty" against which all other "cheap and nasty" is judged.


yeah

But yeah I mean I sorta know what you're saying- the "designed by mike" soldano bit maybe looks cheap. All I'm saying is the bugera *is* cheap, and beggars can't be choosers. I mean- of course the jet city is made to a budget, too- I don't want to oversell the thing. But I don't think (and hopefully min and cath will confirm) it's made anywhere near as cheaply as the bugera stuff.
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Old 12-09-2012, 11:51 AM   #24
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This thread is funny as hell.

TS do you under stand that JCA 20/50/100/100HDM are actually designed by Soldano, and not anyone else. So they are the real deal amps.

PS there is no Jet City that is a SLO 100. The JCA20 is a budget Soldano Astroverb and the 50/100 are budget versions of the HR Avenger not the SLO 100
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Old 12-09-2012, 12:12 PM   #25
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wait... hang on a minute. You have a problem with jet cities, which actually are officially sanctioned, designed by mike soldano, cheaper versions of the "real thing", and have no problem with bugera, which are unofficially reverse-engineered rip offs?

I mean, personally I have no massive problem with what bugera is doing (if they didn't go on fire and were more reliable), but considering you seem to have a problem with it, that doesn't make any kind of logical sense. at all.

What you're saying is, "I'm not gonna buy this amp because it looks like a fake, so instead I'm gonna buy this other amp which IS a fake."


exactly what i was going to say.

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Old 12-09-2012, 12:23 PM   #26
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On the Egnater-side of things:

I'm the happy owner of a Rebel 30 and I can tell you it's a really nice little amp. LOTS of different tones you can get out of it, very nice clean sound - you can dial it in both very warm and jazzy or crystal clear and glassy with the tight and bright switches and the EQ.
The OD channel is awesome as well IMO but kind of hard to describe. It definitely resembles a classic kind of rock tone with tight and bright on, but not quite like a Marshall, as I said, hard to describe. It feels and sounds less dry and more chewy than the Marshalls that I played.
Now, the higher you set the gain, the more grungy it sounds. Anything past 2-3 o'clock sounds really fat, almost Recto-ish with the tight-switch off.
For metal stuff you definately need a boost IMO, mostly for tightening up the amp, but it certainly would work.

Tried a Tweaker 40 combo as well. It certainly is even more tweakable than the Rebel, had too little time with it too really do in-depth tweaking though. However, my overall impressions are: the Tweaker is tighter and drier sounding (might have to do with the speaker as well though) which people might or might not like. It's very 'vintage' or 'classic' sounding as well, but in a different way. Didn't find as nice cleans as with the Rebel though.
Also I had the feeling that the Tweaker has less gain than the Rebel.
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tweaker ain't got much gain at all. cuts off at bon jovi.
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Old 12-09-2012, 12:29 PM   #28
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Cat Bon Jovi you say?

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Old 12-09-2012, 01:54 PM   #29
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In response to the response of my earlier post (which is somewhat aged now).
I was mainly thinking of the Hayden Mofo, H&K Tubemeister, Egnater Rebel/Tweaker and Marshall DSL.
Furthermore I have just realised that you never conclusively said 'no' to used only that you would rather try and amp before buying it. Which country are you in? We could possibly find a second hand amp there that you could try...

There should be no reason why you can't dial in the same sounds through the JC JCA50 and 100, however because of different power valves and the lack of a resonance control (I think) it will sound different.
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tweaker ain't got much gain at all. cuts off at bon jovi.

mine had plenty more than you hear in bon jovi tunes.

i don't think bon jovi is really a definable "cut off" point.



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Old 12-09-2012, 02:29 PM   #31
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gregs it was sorta sarcasm haha but still, cuts off in the "hard rock" territory.

and the cat video
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Old 12-09-2012, 03:04 PM   #33
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gregs it was sorta sarcasm haha but still, cuts off in the "hard rock" territory.

and the cat video

i got ya.

but "hard rock" is such a subjective thing. it's like "metal".

definitions of genres are so tough to nail down because everyone has a different definition in their head for what any particular genre is to them.

i mean, we all try to convey what we are thinking and typing words to describe sounds is a tough thing to do in a way to really get the intended meaning across accurately.

one man's metal is another man's classic rock is another man's hard rock is another man's thrash is...

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Old 12-09-2012, 03:40 PM   #34
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but Behringer changed name to Bugera (Behringer = Bugera), Soldano amplication didn't changed name to Jet City (two diffrent comapny) but they calling themself "like Soldano" because of designer, if that's what You mean.

*With 600$ i think i Can get only Peavey Valveking head, but it's not suits to me.


no behringer owns bugera. i always thought they made the bugera name to distance themselves from the behringer name.

Jet city collaborates with really good amp designers and makes budget models with them, offering good tone with a little less features. Bugera blatantly reverse engineers amps with no permission and then produces them for as cheap as possible.

you'd best be served by actually trying some of these amps out before you buy them instead of just using your 'gut feeling' on evaluating them.
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$600 will buy one hell of a good used amp in the US so this whole conversation is ludicrous on so many levels it's quite a feat.

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$600 will buy one hell of a good used amp in the US so this whole conversation is ludicrous on so many levels it's quite a feat.


that is the way i feel. so much good stuff out there for 600 usd and he is strictly comparing JC to bugera. it also seems like he is trying to make the decision based on popular consensus and gut feeling.

if i had 600 bucks and didn't know anything about amps i'd be trying as many amps out as i could find.
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if I had $600 and didn't know anything about amps I would buy a go kart
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exactly what i was going to say.

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