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Old 02-13-2013, 12:29 PM   #121
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Has he opened up the Vatican's vast coffers in order to compensate the victims? No, in fact, he's allowed money to be hidden from governments looking for compensation and instead turned the bill over to the taxpayers his criminal organisation victimised.


In what part of this do you offer any statement that he is protecting paedophiles though. I know I'm quoting you, but I'm not really disagreeing with you - you have seen some of his faults and think he's a bad guy, understandable. But he hasn't protected any of the, let's face it, scum that abuse their position of trust within the community

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and as to threatening excommunication to those talking to the police, that's just not true - in fact that's what happened to him in certain cases while he was a cardinal

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Old 02-13-2013, 12:42 PM   #122
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In what part of this do you offer any statement that he is protecting paedophiles though. I know I'm quoting you, but I'm not really disagreeing with you - you have seen some of his faults and think he's a bad guy, understandable. But he hasn't protected any of the, let's face it, scum that abuse their position of trust within the community

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/201...abuse-survivors

"Before he became pope his predecessor put him in charge of the abuse crisis. He has read thousands of pages of reports of the abuse cases from across the world. He knows more about clergy sex crimes and cover-ups than anyone else in the church yet he has done precious little to protect children."
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Old 02-13-2013, 03:12 PM   #123
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In what part of this do you offer any statement that he is protecting paedophiles though. I know I'm quoting you, but I'm not really disagreeing with you - you have seen some of his faults and think he's a bad guy, understandable. But he hasn't protected any of the, let's face it, scum that abuse their position of trust within the community


He is the head of an organisation that has systematically defended paedophiles. He was an integral and important part of that machinery while it was going on, and he never said a word, nor did he do what any decent human being would do and immediately leave the organisation when it came to public light.
Since then he has insulted the victims in Ireland by banging on about Canon Law, when the issue has absolutely nothing to do with Canon law and his refusal to acknowledge that shows how cloaked in the secrecy of his criminal empire he is.

Any other organisation, if engaged in Child Rape on such a disgusting and shocking scale, would have found itself immediately disbanded, its assets seized, and a large number of its members given lengthy jail sentences. The only reason this hasn't happened to the Church is that it exists in a legal vacuum created through a deal made with a Fascist Dictator in exchange for allowing him support.

If the Pope actually cared about victims, then he would immediately compensate them out of the vast and incalculable wealth of the Vatican, instead he rapes the victims again by refusing to apologise for years, and then failing to follow his words with actions. "I'm sorry" means nothing, true repentance comes through actions.

Detailing Ratzinger's involvement with a coverup is obviously a tall order for any journalist, who would have to get detailed information out of one of the most secretive organisations on the planet, however his actions as Pope have displayed a disgusting callousness towards the victims of Child Sex Abuse that his organisation created; whether he was personally involved or not is not important.

He is a worthless individual, and his organisation is worse than that, it is a force for evil in the world and an affront to the teachings of Jesus Christ.



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and as to threatening excommunication to those talking to the police, that's just not true - in fact that's what happened to him in certain cases while he was a cardinal

Nope, it's quite true. The Vatican refuses to comment on it as it's "not a public document" but that is essentially what he did.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/200...childprotection
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Old 02-13-2013, 03:16 PM   #124
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his organisation is worse than that, it is a force for evil in the world and an affront to the teachings of Jesus Christ.

With all due respect, the Catholic church never really followed the teachings of Jesus Christ. Yes, it said the right things, but it never did the right things.
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Old 02-13-2013, 03:19 PM   #125
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With all due respect, the Catholic church never really followed the teachings of Jesus Christ. Yes, it said the right things, but it never did the right things.

Nah man, Jesus was all about acquiring vast riches.



That's exactly the kind of bling that they had at the last supper.
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Nah man, Jesus was all about acquiring vast riches.



That's exactly the kind of bling that they had at the last supper.

I know, man. It's crazy. A wandering preacher amassing wealth.
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Old 02-13-2013, 03:26 PM   #127
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As someone who was raised Catholic and knows many many Catholics, in my experience, many people think the Catholic Church as an organization is pretty disgusting.

I know the church my family went to has almost know one going anymore. I mean, I haven't been to church outside of weddings and funerals in years, but according to my mom, who recently stopped going, the Sunday masses are almost empty when they used to be full. About half of the Catholic schools in my area have closed in the last two years. I think people are sick of the church as an organization since they are covering up pedophiles and are only interested in making money. Apparently Philadelphia was covering up a bunch of the priests and sending them to other churches when they would get in trouble. It's despicable.

I just find it interesting that all these people still will say they are Catholic or are "spiritual", if you will, but no longer want to support this organization. Good for them I think.


I was trying to relate this to what was being discussed but kind of failed I think. Oh well
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Old 02-13-2013, 04:06 PM   #128
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You know times are bad when even God is laying people off.

Anyway, I want this guy to be the next Pope:

(Damon Pope from Sons of Anarchy for anyone that doesn't know)

His surname is Pope, so he's halfway there. I'd say he's make a pretty good Pope
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He should not take any silly Latin nickname and just go by the name Pope Pope. That would be pretty dope
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Old 02-13-2013, 04:25 PM   #130
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To be honest I can't argue with you about how wrong it all is. All I can say is that until this man stepped up, it wasn't for the Vatican to deal with these situations - it was for individual dioceses to sort out. I'm talking about in JPII's day, the man everyone loves. Has he done enough? no, not by along shot. Has he laid down a foundation that the next pope can choose to build upon or to ignore? of course he has
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He should not take any silly Latin nickname and just go by the name Pope Pope. That would be pretty dope

Pope Pope might be the dopest Pope you'll ever know(pe).
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Honestly, I think it's better that he does step down because he's really upset a lot more of the pragmatic-minded Catholics and non-Catholics alike with his statements and actions, and protecting those who commit sexually abuse didn't really help his reputation either.
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Old 02-13-2013, 10:52 PM   #134
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He's gross and looks like Emperor Palpatine, good riddance. Although I don't care about the whole thing. The church is more irrelevant by the day. They'll pick another boring old man and the downward trajectory will continue.
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To be honest I can't argue with you about how wrong it all is. All I can say is that until this man stepped up, it wasn't for the Vatican to deal with these situations - it was for individual dioceses to sort out. I'm talking about in JPII's day, the man everyone loves. Has he done enough? no, not by along shot. Has he laid down a foundation that the next pope can choose to build upon or to ignore? of course he has

What are you on about; it's not for the dioceses to deal with them nor the Vatican, it's for these people we have called police. The Vatican should play no role in it.

This isn't a fucking complex topic to find rules for, it's not some weird theological conundrum or moral issue. It's extremely cut and dried, if you are a priest and you hear that someone is/has/is planning to rape a child, or touch a child, or go download some child porn, then you report the fucker to the local police.

The church does not need special rules on this, the fact that you can't see that immediately should worry you.
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