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Old 02-19-2014, 04:47 PM   #41
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no worries. i still have the vox, which i think i may actually keep.

Haha, I had a Vox Mini 3 and I loved that amp until I broke it. Was so small, but the overdrive on that thing was killer. That's what's nice about smaller amps is that the effects really come through much sharper at a lower volume.. With some of the larger amps you can't hear the effects because anything past 2 will blow your eardrums out.

Vox is probably my 2nd favorite amplifier behind Marshall, you're in good hands there.

Never seen a Vox amp that I didn't like.

Hopefully you find a guitar you like, I wish I could post a picture of my Stratocaster for you, she's my baby. I got a Fender American Standard Deluxe Stratocaster.. Changed out all the factory stock pickups out and replaced them with Seymour Duncan's and it was honestly the best move I ever made. Now that guitar can play literally anything, from clean pop music, to grunge and even metal if you wanted it to, but the frets on a Stratocaster are huge, so it's probably not the best metal guitar, but it's great for really heavy, hard rock, grungy sounding music. You could probably find a used Stratocaster for $800-$900, but brand new you're looking at $1,600-$1,700 USD then if you decide to upgrade the pickups on it, you're looking at an additional $300 USD.

My next Strat is going to have Dimarzio Super Distortion pickups in it, once I get the money. It will probably be a $2,000 USD investment. I'm going to get it in Olympic Pearl White color, but first I'm going to buy a Martin Dreadnought D-18, online they're about $2,300 USD, but a local store here say's that they will beat any prices online, so hopefully I can get it cheaper there.

After that I shouldn't really need to upgrade my gear again for the next 20-30 years, minus my amp. I have a Marshall MG10CD Series amp, the same one I recommended to you earlier in the thread. It's great for bedroom playing, if I decide to ever play in a band though, I may need to upgrade it, but for now I'm just a bedroom player, I really don't need to upgrade it right away. Plus, with a bigger amp, I'll probably just piss off neighbors in my apartment building.
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Old 02-19-2014, 04:52 PM   #42
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Have you considered Reverend Sensei? I bet you those are better than a LP Studio...

Now, with the $1500 you can get an awesome Maton Mastersound...
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Old 02-19-2014, 04:53 PM   #43
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1. what's the difference between mesa mini and mesa dual. as a beginner, i do want something excellent, cuz i don't want to be upgrading all the time, but i'd like to know which one would be more convenient for a beginner like me. ALSO, i think the carvin v3 looks really cool too, and how much is this one. after checking this site, http://www.carvinguitars.com/products/V3 it says it's about 900 bucks. is that an accurate price? and between the mesa vs. carvin which is best? i did like the carvin v3 100w lighting effects, that's cool, but i'd like to know which brand performs best.

The Mini Rectifier is the smaller/lower wattage version of the big one. Difference is that you don't have to crank to as loud to get power tube saturation. The big one sits better at big gigs, tonally they're about the same.
You can view each here:
http://www.mesaboogie.com/Product_I...ifier-2010.html

The Mini:
http://www.mesaboogie.com/Product_I...ectifier25.html

I'll make even more confusing by adding another Mesa combo that fits that budget - the 5:50:
http://www.mesaboogie.com/Product_I...xpress+550.html


V3 also has a mini option, all the possibilities for pairing are included here:
http://www.carvinguitars.com/guitar...microseries.php

The big V3 (100watt)
http://www.carvinguitars.com/guitaramps/v3series.php

I think the main difference is that the power tubes are less and different on the smaller amps, EL34s on the big ones vs EL84.

I am recommending the Mini because of the smaller size since you'd be starting up and then you can move up. They have combo version or just a head that you can pair with a 2x12 or 4x12 cab.




2. does anybody own either of the tubes and what do they come with out of the box.

You can ask the manufacturer, not sure, Mesa have their own brand of tubes which are rebranded but tested by them to work optimally with their amp.

Carvin - not sure, my guess is JJs.

They are better than fine with what they come with from the factory.

3. where can i purchase this new, not used (for the mesa). AND which cabinets would you recommend to go with the tube and how much are the cabinets/speakers.

Mesa's site has a list of dealers, check the one closest to you. Mesa comes with paired cabs, same for the Carvin, you can also get a 2x12 cab if you don't want to carry all this stuff with you. You can also get other cab, one of the most popular ones is the Marshall 1960a or b (b for slant), plenty of other cab options.

Overall thoughts - all these are super versatile and if you're a Mesa guy (you'd know when you hear one) it could be the amp of a lifetime. Mesa have better support/resale value/community, but it is reflected in the price. Carvin is factory service only which is a bummer since you have to ship it to them. All these designs are solid and both the Carvin and Mesas have been around for a while now, so they're solid. Also both are few of the USA-made amps in this price range.


Great advice, going with a Mini for a beginner is very wise advice. You bring up better tube saturation which is a fantastic point. Hopefully, the OP listens. You'll probably never upgrade this amp, it can serve as a bedroom amplifier for the next 10-15 years. If the OP decides to join a band, he may need to upgrade to a bigger amp then, but for now a Mini Rectifier is probably one of the best amps possible he could buy. Great advice once again.
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Old 02-19-2014, 05:30 PM   #44
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Great advice, going with a Mini for a beginner is very wise advice. You bring up better tube saturation which is a fantastic point. Hopefully, the OP listens. You'll probably never upgrade this amp, it can serve as a bedroom amplifier for the next 10-15 years. If the OP decides to join a band, he may need to upgrade to a bigger amp then, but for now a Mini Rectifier is probably one of the best amps possible he could buy. Great advice once again.


totally agree with you there. lol i'll definitely look into them. those things are beautiful.
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Old 02-19-2014, 05:31 PM   #45
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Have you considered Reverend Sensei? I bet you those are better than a LP Studio...

Holy crap- how did I get this far into a "which guitar" thread without mentioning Reverend?

Or Godin? Or Fernandes?



Seriously, though, a Reverend Sensei HB, RA, or RA FM would be an excellent choice for a 24.75" scale guitar.

There are others Reverends I'd recommend for those genres as well- the Kingbolts & Bayonets, the Manta Rays, and the Reeves Gabrels sig II. The new Spacehawk model should also be a killer.

From Godin, the discontinued Velocity would be a good choice. Made in Canada, it's a HSS with fairly hot pickups and Superstrat sexiness.

Fernandes offers up virtually their entire range to the gods of harder rock genres. Slender necks and hot pickups predominate. I have a couple Ravelles, and also like the looks of their Dragonfly. Bonus: right now, their direct-sales website is having a "while supplies last" clearance sale with ridiculous discounts.
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Old 02-19-2014, 05:32 PM   #46
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I think the Mini can probably cover most small to medium gigs as well and bigger gigs will probably be amplified anyway but it might be less than needed in some band contexts where the other guy is wielding a full blown stack and won't turn down (played with these neanderthals once upon a time as well).
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Old 02-19-2014, 07:35 PM   #47
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Skimmed your thread. You sound a lot like me when i started my guitar journey.

If i can make a suggestion, i would say don't worry about an amp now.

Get two pairs of studio speakers $250 bucks and an usb audio interface $80-100.

You're problem like me will be you have no idea how to dial into X sound right away. The trem won't be important until you move up in skill. Get one or don't it doesn't matter, i would just suggest avoiding a floyd rose. They're a pain to f' with in my opinion.

I like your idea of starting off with 1500$ for a guitar, because i've bought so many 800$ guitars and now all i want is the next step up from the ones ive got.

A computer with studio speakers and an audio interface will let you demo different amps, get the sound you want and also let you practice with software like guitar pro, so you can slow stuff down and practice on loops. VERY VERY beneficial in the beginning.

Nothing is better than a teacher, but Metal Method is the next best thing. Check out Doug Marks guitar program if you want something to follow on your own. His basic course is pretty awesome in terms of staying focused.

Just my two cents. Why waste money on an amp when really what your seeking is the sound of X youtube or songs. I use a Mac and garageband is perfect for me in a lot of ways. I'm sure there's an equivalent PC version.
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Old 02-19-2014, 08:14 PM   #48
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If you're only planning on playing through headphones and/or interfacing with your PC for the forseeable future, consider a portable digital modeling device like one of these (some are discontinued, can still be easily found):

Boss Micro-BR 4 track
http://www.guitarcenter.com/-i1169092.gc

Boss Micro-BR 80
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/BR80/

Pocket POD
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Line-6-...875-i1173933.gc

Tascam GT-R1
http://www.guitarcenter.com/TASCAM-...306-i1401677.gc
http://www.guitarcenter.com/TASCAM-...473-i1402140.gc

Korg Pandora Mini
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Korg-Pa...754-i1746466.gc

Korg Px4
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Korg-Pa...554-i1124641.gc

Korg Pandora Stomp
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/PandoraSTOr/

Korg Px5
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Korg-Pa...715-i1387080.gc

Here is a visual comparison of (left to right) Tascam, my PX-5 and one of my Px4s to my old Aiwa cassette player:



Only the Tascam has decent acoustic recording capacity. All DO have features like tuners, metronomes, drum synthesizers, and digital amp & pedal modeling.

So with decent headphones, you can rock out like you were playing Texas Stadium. And yes, they are all about the size of an old Walkman.

The ones I own: the Tascam has the external mics, a phrase trainer (loop & slow down stuff for practicing), and takes SD cards. Both it and the PX5 can connect directly to your computer via a USB port. It is less powerful than the PX5, but, oddly, the PX5 does not have a belt/strap hook.

The ones I don't own: The Line6 PocketPOD is, I believe, the most popular device like this; the Boss might be the most powerful (and priciest); the Pandora Mini is the smallest (its about the size of a stack of business cards), cheapest, and least powerful.
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Old 02-19-2014, 09:37 PM   #49
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If you're only planning on playing through headphones and/or interfacing with your PC for the forseeable future, consider a portable digital modeling device like one of these (some are discontinued, can still be easily found):

Boss Micro-BR 4 track
http://www.guitarcenter.com/-i1169092.gc

Boss Micro-BR 80
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/BR80/

Pocket POD
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Line-6-...875-i1173933.gc

Tascam GT-R1
http://www.guitarcenter.com/TASCAM-...306-i1401677.gc
http://www.guitarcenter.com/TASCAM-...473-i1402140.gc

Korg Pandora Mini
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Korg-Pa...754-i1746466.gc

Korg Px4
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Korg-Pa...554-i1124641.gc

Korg Pandora Stomp
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/PandoraSTOr/

Korg Px5
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Korg-Pa...715-i1387080.gc

Here is a visual comparison of (left to right) Tascam, my PX-5 and one of my Px4s to my old Aiwa cassette player:



Only the Tascam has decent acoustic recording capacity. All DO have features like tuners, metronomes, drum synthesizers, and digital amp & pedal modeling.

So with decent headphones, you can rock out like you were playing Texas Stadium. And yes, they are all about the size of an old Walkman.

The ones I own: the Tascam has the external mics, a phrase trainer (loop & slow down stuff for practicing), and takes SD cards. Both it and the PX5 can connect directly to your computer via a USB port. It is less powerful than the PX5, but, oddly, the PX5 does not have a belt/strap hook.

The ones I don't own: The Line6 PocketPOD is, I believe, the most popular device like this; the Boss might be the most powerful (and priciest); the Pandora Mini is the smallest (its about the size of a stack of business cards), cheapest, and least powerful.


hey those are really neat and yes i'll be hooking up the Line 6 Pod HD500X to my computer.
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Old 03-13-2014, 02:06 PM   #50
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That is a large budget for a complete beginner, remember to buy a good amp because that is possibly more important than the guitar.

As for the tremolo arm, it's just up to your preference. Are you going to use it? If not it will be easier to tune without it.


Second this...
AMP IS more important than the guitar. If you're stuck on Gibson tell us why. Have you picked them up and played them before? I think the necks are too fat and prefer the neck of a Godin or Fender. I know people that play offbrand guitars in professional settings and nobody could tell the difference because they have skill. You don't need a $900 guitar to sound good. In fact... if you're a beginner you can play with a Gibson or a Squire and nobody would be able to tell a difference they would just be able to tell you're a beginner. Save your money, buy cheap gear and make sure you even like playing guitar and are going to stick with it. I say buy used if you can because there are some steals out there. If you should spend any decent money it should be on your amp first or you'll regret it later.
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