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Old 02-18-2013, 04:19 PM   #21
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So the same pickup can differ by 30%?! That seems a hell of a difference.
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Old 02-18-2013, 05:43 PM   #22
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In my opinion the 50's have a better overall beefy sound than profile. I dont like Les pauls myself but if was to get one it would be 50's neck. Fits better in the hand. I dont have to force myself like i would on a 60's. Thinner necks make you work harder in my opinion. (could be the artritus but hey)
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Old 02-18-2013, 06:22 PM   #23
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I was more responding to Mephaphil. Tits McGee has it more or less right.

As it so happens, at least as far as Gibson go, there is a lot of variation in aspects other than just the neck profile. Each coil of their pickups (and the new Epiphone ProBuckers, I believe) are only wound to within -/+15% of their stated spec, to encourage the mismacted coil tone of the 50s pickups. Checking output on Burstbuckers is a real pain because you can buy a #1 that reads hotter than a #3, quite easily. Their pots also seem to be made within tolerances of -/+10%, too, rather than the -/+5% which the 'top' pot brands use. And, obviously, all the woods used can vary hugely in weight and resonance.

Really, it's quite cheap. They keep quality control tight on the core construction, and all the fret and nut work is done with PLEK systems now, of course, but when it comes to winding pickups and initially choosing wood they can half-arse it and write it off as being vintage-correct to have stuff be random. But well, that is both their curse and their charm.


I've never seen a pot (in a guitar at least) that's got a tolerance of +/- 5%. Almost everyone is using +/-20% Alpha or CTS, with some using +/-10% CTS or Bourns. 5% pots are stupid expensive, and kinda pointless, TBH. Most "premium" pots just over spec the resistance so that even with the variance, you'll never have something rated below the value you want.
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Old 02-18-2013, 06:23 PM   #24
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In my opinion the 50's have a better overall beefy sound than profile. I dont like Les pauls myself but if was to get one it would be 50's neck. Fits better in the hand. I dont have to force myself like i would on a 60's. Thinner necks make you work harder in my opinion. (could be the artritus but hey)


If you can tell the difference between a 50s and 60s neck in a blind test, you've got the greatest ears known to man. They've done this over on MLP and no one can ever guess which is which reliably.
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Old 02-18-2013, 06:33 PM   #25
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This should gives you a perspective of them but as said before. Gibson has been quite inconsistent with the neck profiles over the year so the drawing is not entirely correct to 100%.

this is a good general idea, but like said, they all vary.

i've had 60s necks with more of a "D" profile feel than this shows.
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this is a good general idea, but like said, they all vary.

i've had 60s necks with more of a "D" profile feel than this shows.


Yea, your old R0 definitely has more shoulder than that would indicate.
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Old 02-18-2013, 09:38 PM   #27
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Yea, your old R0 definitely has more shoulder than that would indicate.

exactly the one i was thinking of. my 03 standard was close to that as well but the R0 felt more D like than the 03.
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Old 02-19-2013, 06:59 AM   #28
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So the same pickup can differ by 30%?! That seems a hell of a difference.
Sort of. The coils can differ by that much, in theory. But finding a pickup that has that much of a difference between coils would be very rare and the actual tone difference between complete humbuckers is smaller than the differences between coils.

But well, this is what makes 50s guitars sound so good/bad. They didn't have tightly controlled pickup production and they didn't use different neck and bridge models. They wound every pickup in the same way, just kept it going until the coil looked full and that was it. The 'same' pickup in both positions, random winding everywhere. The idea of making pickups to a very strict specification and having different winds for different positions didn't really start until the late 70s and only took off in the late 80s.
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Old 02-19-2013, 02:48 PM   #29
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You need to stop thinking of quality and specification as the same thing. A Gibson neck may vary from the spec; that does not mean it is a bad guitar. What makes a shit neck for one person can be the perfect neck for another. Everybody has different hands.

Thats what makes gibsons cool....they vary so much. so you play alot until you find one thats perfect. The problem is ive played 2 perfect ones while i didnt have the money
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If you can tell the difference between a 50s and 60s neck in a blind test, you've got the greatest ears known to man. They've done this over on MLP and no one can ever guess which is which reliably.

Sad thing is i have and i can. To me its night and day.

But the drunk guy in the front row wont care. Its all about the player.
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