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Old 01-18-2013, 11:44 AM   #1
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Istalling horn?

So I got myself a 410 and 115 stack this summer. The only thing I miss though is having a horn for the highs. Is it possible to get a horn installed into the cabs? If not, what else should I do?
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Old 01-18-2013, 12:36 PM   #2
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What cabs are we talking about specifically and why do you want to install a horn/s? Because you may think you need it, but you may not feel the horn missing when you're playing and you are better off without doing it...
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Old 01-18-2013, 06:25 PM   #3
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As long as there is room in the cabinet to mount it properly, there is no reason why you couldn't install a horn. Whether it would make an appreciable difference in your sound is difficult, if not impossible, to say. But wiring one up is not a problem.
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Old 01-18-2013, 11:07 PM   #4
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First, you need a Lamp Fused Cross over rated for the Tweeter.

Then you need a Hole saw or Router,

Finally, break out the Soldering Iron.
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Old 01-18-2013, 11:56 PM   #5
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Just a thought, guys, I'm not sure, but wouldn't installing a horn produce a different impedance from the cab??? that is an issue to ebar in mind...
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Old 01-19-2013, 12:46 AM   #6
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No. Not nless it is a really substantial horn.

THe Cross over will help handle all of that.
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Old 01-19-2013, 04:56 AM   #7
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Unless you have a particular way of playing bass the horn won't make much difference as there is little high frequency sound coming out of your bass. You'd be better off with a mid range speaker, say a 6".

If you want a horn a cheap solution is to add a piezo or two. They only cost a few pounds and don't need a crossover. You can try them out without fitting them into the box and only start hacking into your cab if you like what they do.

If you add a conventional horn then you need a crossover to stop the bass destroying the horn and to make sure the impedance stays the same. These cost as much as the horn depending on which horn and crossover you use.

The multi speaker stacks change the highs you hear because they only radiate highs in a very narrow beam due to interference between the different drivers, effectively you end up hearing a different sound to the audience. Put the 4x10 on top and stand directly in line with that.

Most horns are a manufacturers gimmick on bass speakers, picking up little other than fret buzz and handling noises.
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OP, what cabs are they?
It's not a particularly big job to install one, but one would argue whether there would be any benefit from it. Knowing more on the cabs would help.

What horn are you looking at? This plate has a built-in crossover terminal. Something similar retrofitted into the 4x10, hooked up to the existing speakers and new crossover should do the trick.
http://www.thomann.de/ie/warwick_an...uer_w411pro.htm
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Most horns are a manufacturers gimmick on bass speakers, picking up little other than fret buzz and handling noises.

I think much depends on the genre of music you play, even without a plectrum/pick they can still be effective. Roundwounds have that zing that some like to reproduce via an HF unit.
I first experimented using a Goodmans Hifax 750 horn with built in crossover way back in the 70s.
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OP, what cabs are they?
It's not a particularly big job to install one, but one would argue whether there would be any benefit from it. Knowing more on the cabs would help.

What horn are you looking at? This plate has a built-in crossover terminal. Something similar retrofitted into the 4x10, hooked up to the existing speakers and new crossover should do the trick.
http://www.thomann.de/ie/warwick_an...uer_w411pro.htm


Little expensive though when you can get Piezos for £2, I know you can adjusted the level. but if I fit Piezos I try various resistors to get a balance that I like.
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Little expensive though when you can get Piezos for £2, I know you can adjusted the level. but if I fit Piezos I try various resistors to get a balance that I like.


I agree, but it's not as versatile, in the sense that once you have your circuit hard wired with resistors, it can't be changed easily, unless you hook in a variable resistor. But for only a few quid, who cares.

There's definitely plenty of alternatives (my best advice would be to actually try a few various cabs, with and without horns, to guage preference. It seems strange to buy a cabinet which doesn't meet your requirements anyway) But my response was directed at the initial question of whether it's possible to add a horn or not.
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Old 01-24-2013, 05:34 PM   #12
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@ roast, they are Hartke Cabs.
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