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Old 10-12-2012, 09:20 PM   #81
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Okay, but where I'm confused is you talking about their right to live.

I've argued against the death penalty for such individuals, I think they have a right to life, who has said otherwise?

Nobody has said go out and kill them all for believing something.



hmm...

the guy in the video, Maybe I should have said exist, I think that's a better word.

such as the quote "while it's as welcome on this planet as an asteroid"


I took that more as the followers shouldn't exist. maybe that's wrong. but I'm not so sure it is.
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Old 10-12-2012, 09:28 PM   #82
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hmm...

the guy in the video, Maybe I should have said exist, I think that's a better word.

such as the quote "while it's as welcome on this planet as an asteroid"


I took that more as the followers shouldn't exist. maybe that's wrong. but I'm not so sure it is.


He's talking about the belief system, not its followers (I'll go back and check after posting this)

So, it's as if he said '[communism is] as welcome on this planet as an asteroid'.
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Old 10-12-2012, 09:37 PM   #83
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"bag-headed bimbos"? Yeah, he's a ****.
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Old 10-12-2012, 09:37 PM   #84
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He's talking about the belief system, not its followers (I'll go back and check after posting this)

So, it's as if he said '[communism is] as welcome on this planet as an asteroid'.

If given a choice between communism and living in an Islamic based political entity I would choose communism.

You have no idea how difficult that is for me to say.
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To illustrate my point, I have created a drawing of Muhammed:



Well now you're for it son.

Also obsceneairwaves the term you've been looking for all thread is either religious sectarianism or simply religious discrimination
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If given a choice between communism and living in an Islamic based political entity I would choose communism.

You have no idea how difficult that is for me to say.

Moorish Spain was pretty sweet.
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Well now you're for it son.

Also obsceneairwaves the term you've been looking for all thread is either religious sectarianism or simply religious discrimination

Not one and the same at all.
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Old 10-12-2012, 10:02 PM   #88
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this guy has balls. he's a bit rough-handed, but how can anyone who is not already one of the extremists or sensitive babies he's talking about not go "**** yea!" after watching that video?
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this guy has balls. he's a bit rough-handed, but how can anyone who is not already one of the extremists or sensitive babies he's talking about not go "**** yea!" after watching that video?

Because he's a **** and he doesn't speak for me.
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Not really. He's promoting the luxuries of free speech and tolerance that we enjoy in the West, and encouraging mere indifference to those that disagree. He's not saying we should pack them all into ovens. He's saying we should laugh them off, ignore them and tell them we don't give a shit.

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...to that man.

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okay i got about a minute in. he's a jackass.
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Old 10-12-2012, 10:17 PM   #92
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I disagree entirely. He was attacking Islam as a whole throughout most of the video, so I don't where you all got the idea that he's only attacking extremist.
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^They're seeing what they want to see.

In truth he's only helping the extremist cause by purposely slandering the entire religion and all its adherents, and framing it as exactly the sort of "West vs. Islam" conflict they want.
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^They're seeing what they want to see.

In truth he's only helping the extremist cause by purposely slandering the entire religion and all its adherents, and framing it as exactly the sort of "West vs. Islam" conflict they want.


but the alternative is to...acquiesce?
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but the alternative is to...acquiesce?

The alternative is to condemn extremism while not going out of your way to be a dick to everyone else.
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The alternative is to condemn extremism while not going out of your way to be a dick to everyone else.


he's not the one being a dick, he's just reacting to the bad stuff happening over there. the dick was whoever made that funny film which caused some loonies to lose their shit. people like that will always exist.

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he's not the one being a dick, he's just reacting to the bad stuff happening over there. the dick was whoever made that funny film which caused some loonies to lose their shit. people like that will always exist.

He called them bag-headed bimbos and bearded buffoons, called them all uncivilized, and said their religion was unwelcome on earth.

If that's not being a dick I don't know what is.
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Old 10-13-2012, 05:45 AM   #99
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How exactly is he a moron? He's saying that extremist Muslims should have no power over the western world, which I strongly agree with. The fact that people refrain from showing pictures of Muhammed out of fear due to extremist attacks shows that the terrorist tactics of the extremists are working. We cannot allow this to happen. I don't care if the extremists are muslim, christian or jewish, free speech encompasses all forms of expression, and there exists no right to not be offended anywhere in the western world. I agree with most of the things he says.


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Sorry bud, can't see the vid in question on this computer, so without a fully written up textual version to read, I really can't possibly comment on it's contents.

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Last time I checked, no religion in the Western world has been free from criticism or ridicule - except Islam, out of fear from terrorism regarding depiction of Muhammed. I think that is what he's getting at: Muslims cannot expect their religion to be treated any better than the other religions that the western world makes fun of on a regular basis. The fact that extremists of Islam retaliate to ridicule with acts of violence and terrorism only supports the claims of people that say Islam is a religion of violence, and I know for a fact that normal Muslims are infuriated by the way these violent assholes are acting in the name of their religion.

We need to be able to make fun of Muhammed the same way we make fun of Jesus, God or Buddha.

To illustrate my point, I have created a drawing of Muhammed:



Doesn't count because you spelled his name wrong.

Something that confuses me though, Muslims worship the exact same Abrahamic God as Jews and Christians, which is something that the Qur'an confirms when it describes Jews and Christians as 'people of the book' and there are many statements in the Qur'an that promote tolerance toward them because of this. According to Muslims, God is waaaaay more important than any prophet, including their own prophet Muhammad, so why do the Muslim extremists kick off so much when people make fun of Muhammad but not when people make fun of the Chistian or Jewish (and therefore also the Islamic) God?

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The alternative is to condemn extremism while not going out of your way to be a dick to everyone else.

Oh, well said.

The fact is folks, Islam is a religion of peace, it states in the Qur'an that Muslims can only harm or kill people in self defence or the defence of others from 'physical' attack and should not attempt to force their religion upon others. That means that the extremists who harm, kill and attempt to force their religion upon others do not actualy represent the true face of Islam. They are a minority that gives the majority of peace loving Muslims a bad name and that's something that we should all take note of rather than criticising all of Islam for the transgressions of a relative few Muslims.
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