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Old 04-09-2013, 02:46 PM   #1
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trying to improving mixing and recording

My band and i recorded this song (it's metal) and i mixed it and mastered it...kind of, i don't really have a grasp on what to do when mixing/mastering yet, so what im looking for in this post is just some suggestions on any techniques that would make this recording sound more professional, first off here what i used, sm57, pg58, 2 audio technicas not sure on the model (yeah i know not the highest of quality) running those into a behringer 4 channel mixer which is then plugged into my laptop and im using reaper to do the rest. i recorded everyone seperatley and had a little bit of help setting up the mic's on the drums, and guitar cab. bass was added post recording with an octave dropper...lol... So with that said what can i do to make the mix "better" in your opinions. Literally any suggestions will help.

heres the song

https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-...pp_178091127385

It''s the first on the playlist the other ones are old and irrelevant to this post.


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Old 04-09-2013, 03:38 PM   #2
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Hiya,
Our band uses a Zoom 16 track digital, i grab the project folders off of it and use my pc with Reaper to mix / master.
(This part is per- track) I seem to have better luck with sound quality on the vocals and guitars if i use the leveller first. I believe the leveller effect compensates for gain also (less clipping).
Then a 4 band EQ. (per track)
Vocals, i have been using chorus/delay turned all the way down to about 40ms.
then i mix all 8 tracks to stereo 2 track. Stereo effect (cant remember setting right now) turned up till you can hear separation.


As far as mics go, we have all sm58 for instruments, and usually 1/2 from grill and 2 inches in from outside edge of speaker.

Kickports work pretty good on bass drums, by the way. Our drummer got one and it definitely sounds better with his drum mics (Audio technica).
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Old 04-09-2013, 03:43 PM   #3
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alright ill give the leveller a try, i always eq my tracks with 4 band eq too, what type of music is your band playing though? We play metal. Do you think a different mic on the kick would help it cut through the mix more? And as for guitars, i got told that i should record with less bass than there is in the track. Im looking to improve my current track, most likely ill end up re-recording it once i accuquire what i deem an acceptable amount of changes.
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Old 04-09-2013, 05:33 PM   #4
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Do you think a different mic on the kick would help it cut through the mix more?

Doubtful. If your drums aren't "cutting through", then you probably need to EQ a range for them in the rest of the mix. For example, kick drums are centered around 65 Hz. The main instrument in that range is bass, so use an EQ to cut a "hole" in the bass from, say, 55 to 75 Hz.
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Old 04-09-2013, 05:37 PM   #5
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Listen to some of your favorite recordings using a critical ear - how much bass, drums and other instruments do you hear? Remember, these instruments all have to fit together on the recording within the spectrum and within the signal level limits of the recording media - whether that's analog or digital. If your bass is being recorded full bandwidth, then it's intruding on something else - probably the drums. Again, listen to any recording and you'll hear that most instruments are typically not recorded full bandwidth.

If you're really interested in learning how to record, mix and master, grab a book on the topic and give it a good read.
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+1 both the above comments.

We do record a decent amount of mteal tunes, and it seems the hardest part of the bass drum sound was mic placement and basic EQ settings.
We seem to find a happy spot with the bass drum when the mic head is in the direct center of the hole. For bass drums without that hole, i'm not sure.
Expieriment with it, cause all mics are a little different.

At first, i always thought each instrument should be full spectrum. Till you mix it and realize that they will walk on each other sonically. Cavalcade made a good point brining up the range of certain instruments. It can get.......mushy. LOL

Almost forgot, all your playback equip. (computer, monitors, applications, etc. ) needs a flat EQ. Otherwise you won't here what's really going on. (Yeah, i found out the hard way).
I'm not really great at all of it yet, even after 6 years..haha
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Old 04-10-2013, 06:44 PM   #7
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This might be helpful to give you a bit of a perspective on what to consider in a mix:

http://greenroommusicblog.blogspot....-on-mixing.html

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Old 04-11-2013, 02:33 PM   #8
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This might be helpful to give you a bit of a perspective on what to consider in a mix:

http://greenroommusicblog.blogspot....-on-mixing.html

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well this is a good piece of literature, i hope your not referring to the crap in crap out part tho. lol.
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Not referring to anything specifically, except maybe the parts about giving everything their own space in a mix.

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Old 04-12-2013, 12:37 AM   #10
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Not referring to anything specifically, except maybe the parts about giving everything their own space in a mix.

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alright i have some free time to really look at right now, i just glanced at it before. thanks again for the link!
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