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Old 05-06-2013, 05:02 PM   #1
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Need help with action of guitar

I just got this Framus guitar at an estate sale and would like to try to make it as good as it can be. I'm not too experienced with guitar restoration but I would like to learn while fixing this guitar.

The first thing I noticed after stringing the guitar is that the action is not quite as I would like it. I lowered the bridge all the way and the strings are still too high at the bottom end of the neck (it's fine on the top of the neck). This is the first problem that I want to tend to. Does anyone have any advice on lowering the action?

Other things I want to do include: i) adding a missing fret ii) adding a strap button iii) new paint iv) new pick guard (current one is cracked). v) wire a disconnected wire in the interior.



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Old 05-06-2013, 05:07 PM   #2
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how straight is the neck?
if it's not bowed (meaning the truss rod seems to be adjusted properly), then putting a shim in the neck pocket to change the neck angle is probably your best starting point
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Old 05-06-2013, 05:33 PM   #3
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the neck is indeed straight. The action is fine on the first 5 frets but then it rises. Adding a shim seems like a good option to change the angle of the neck. Does anyone know of any other options?

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Old 05-06-2013, 06:11 PM   #4
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Check your relief, that can actually affect action.
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Old 05-06-2013, 06:55 PM   #5
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maybe get a pro set up if you have the spare cash. Saying that, these adjustments arent hard to do so its up to you!
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Old 05-06-2013, 07:47 PM   #6
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There is no way a setup or changing neck relief will even come close to fixing that kind of high action.
People need to realize that adjusting the truss rod isnt for getting better action...
With it being that high, the only option is putting a shim.
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Old 05-06-2013, 07:58 PM   #7
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There is no way a setup or changing neck relief will even come close to fixing that kind of high action.
People need to realize that adjusting the truss rod isnt for getting better action...
With it being that high, the only option is putting a shim.


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The neck angle is way off, put a shim (or several!) in the neck pocket.
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Old 05-06-2013, 08:03 PM   #8
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There is no way a setup or changing neck relief will even come close to fixing that kind of high action.
People need to realize that adjusting the truss rod isnt for getting better action...
With it being that high, the only option is putting a shim.

When I stepped up my string guage I had close to 2mm of relief, the action seemed to folow in suit in being high. After adjusting the truss rod, the action came within a range where it was adjustable to a playable level.
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Old 05-06-2013, 09:26 PM   #9
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ok, shim it is! any suggestions on a good website that sells shims for guitars?
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Old 05-06-2013, 10:12 PM   #10
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You dont buy them... You can just make one out of a sliver of wood or stacked cardstock.
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Old 05-06-2013, 10:31 PM   #11
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Hell man you can even use bits of old credit card for shims, whatever fits the bill really.
Case in point... I needed to shim the locking nut on one of my guitars and so just found a bit of aluminium i had knocking about that was around 0.25mm and cut it to shape with a stanly knife and some files and the job was good! That guitar is now my best player, and it's up against serious competition too, the likes of almost 2000 quids worth of ESP to be exact!

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Old 05-07-2013, 12:16 AM   #12
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cool, thanks guys for the advice
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Old 05-07-2013, 12:29 PM   #13
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The shim needs to be solid wedge of wood for stability and best acoustics. Not just a strip of something behind the screws leaving an open space between the front and rear screws. Full contact between the neck and the body is best.
To determine the approximate shim thickness, mark the side of the neck with a pencil where it meets the body at the end of the neck. Loosen the neck screws enough to move the neck 's angle untill the strings are at the right height at the 12th fret. Mark the side of the neck again. The distance between the lines is the height of the shim.
Also, set the bridge action in the middle of its height range when determining the shim size. This way, there will be adjustability of the action when your done with the shim installation.
Good luck.

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