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Old 11-17-2013, 05:19 AM   #41
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If you were rich and cost didn't matter.
You would buy a Gibson, even if they were very similar.
How many super stars play Epi's?



Robb Flynn of Machine Head for one.
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Old 11-17-2013, 05:41 AM   #42
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One!
That's not many and hes not a name that every one would know.

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Old 11-17-2013, 05:52 AM   #43
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One!
That's not many and hes not a name that every one would know.



Well, you asked and I gave you one.

And that kinda depends who you ask. In genre he represents he is a known name. Hell, UG has an article about him mocking Avenged Sevenfold every few days.
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Old 11-17-2013, 06:01 AM   #44
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I'm not dissing him or Epi's.
Just saying those with out limits to their budget would probably chose a Gibson.
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Old 11-18-2013, 12:17 AM   #45
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Gibson's low end (Studio, Special) do vary in quality, I'll give you that. But once you get past that the QC is pretty damn good. There is a reason people refer to MIA as superior, in most cases it really is. I'll give you MIJ has great stuff, but it is as expensive as MIA these days

Gibson stopped the Elitist for the USA because the guitars were not selling well here. Not because they were better or worse instuments. The Elitist was the only line with hurt sales.

Before you hop on this forum and act like you know something, do a little research so you at least look like you know what your talking about


I disagree. It is/was half the cost. A used Epi Elitist goes for $700-900 here which will get you a used Gibby Jr or real beater of a Standard at best. I don't work for Gibson, so I don't know the production numbers, but your story sounds valid. Saying that, my guess is that it was a combination of poor marketing and the fact that the public decided the price point was close enough to springing more dollars for the logo. Shifting the focus to manufacturing to Korea and China was all about profit. No mid-quality line, you choose either this or that....a win/win for Gibson no matter what.

Oh, and I think I've lived long enough, bought enough toys and have a solid understanding in most things manufactured and mechanical to know what I'm talking about...
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Old 11-18-2013, 01:01 AM   #46
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That's not many and hes not a name that every one would know.

A few more notable Epi players (not necessarily as their primary axe):
"Captain" Kirk Douglas of The Roots
Gary Clark, Jr.
Trustworth Samende of Mokoomba
The Edge of U2
Noel Gallagher
Jay Jay French
Alex Lifeson
Paul Weller
Axe Frehley
Josh Homme
John Lee Hooker
Chino Mareno
Nancy Wilson
Dwight Yoakam
Wayne Static
Trent Reznor
The Beatles

(Among the big names, Casinos and Sheratons were the most common models.)

Honorable Mention to Prince, who used and BROKE "Captain" Kirk Douglas'' 1961 Crestwood while performing on Jimmy Allon's show.
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Old 11-18-2013, 01:07 AM   #47
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I'm not dissing him or Epi's.
Just saying those with out limits to their budget would probably chose a Gibson.


They might. Those without limits to their budget might possibly choose something better than a Gibson. After all, Gibson might be a top of the wall production guitar at a Guitar Center, but it's still a very ordinary production guitar, and there are much better out there.

Then again, for people with no limits to their budget, there's really no need to prove anything. What if they decided that buying a guitar that did all the things that a guitar was supposed to do was all that was really important, and that the cork-sniffing minutae were immaterial.

Then what would they come away with?
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Then again, for people with no limits to their budget, there's really no need to prove anything. What if they decided that buying a guitar that did all the things that a guitar was supposed to do was all that was really important, and that the cork-sniffing minutae were immaterial.


That seems to be the rationale behind some of those on the list I posted. For instance, Alex Lifeson's Epi is a Masterbuilt acoustic. The man could afford a Somogyi, but is apparently satisfied with the Epi enough to be in ads for the company.

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That seems to be the rationale behind some of those on the list I posted. For instance, Alex Lifeson's Epi is a Masterbuilt acoustic. The man could afford a Somogyi, but is apparently satisfied with the Epi enough to be in ads for the company.

http://www.advintageplus.com/servle...sterbilt/Detail

A vast majority of pro artists that do play Epi's or Squiers are playing a custom shop guitar with the name of the lower end slapped on it. Or they use it for 1-2 songs and that's it

I know this is not all the time though. SC from the Deftones played an Epi G-400 for an entire tour
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A vast majority of pro artists that do play Epi's or Squiers are playing a custom shop guitar with the name of the lower end slapped on it. Or they use it for 1-2 songs and that's it.


While true, that isn't the case for several on that list...though many, as I noted, are using vintage Epis.

As for Squiers, I know of a bluesman in New Orleans who used one- and the cheap amp it came with- for his main axe until he lost it in the floods of Katrina. That Squier paid his rent, kept him fed, and bought him other guitars- some in the 5 figure range. Those, he said, didn't "have the mojo", so the Squier remained his #1.
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Old 11-18-2013, 02:23 AM   #51
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Truth be told, TS, I've played some Epiphone's that I preferred over the Gibson counter part. I've played some Gibson's I've preferred over the Epiphone's.

Quality of wood is a factor, and the components, but to be honest, that can all be swapped out relatively cheaply. pots and caps are very cheap. You could swap the cheap asian electronics out for something superior. You can also upgrade the bridge and tail piece rather cheap. And if you like the pick ups, keep them. if you don't, swap them. Personally, while many would consider the Gibson version to be the superior instrument, it all comes down to your preferences. If you like the feel of the epi, the sound of the epi or feel you can mod it and still have a wallet friendly purchase, I say go with the epi. if you like it, that's all that matters. in my opinion, change the pots, caps, the bridge and tail piece, and maybe the pickups (the pickups depend on you), and you've got a gibson at a fraction of the cost.



Pretty much this.

I have an Epi I prefer over alot of Gibsons I have played.

Counter wise my friends Epi feels like a log with strings attached to it.

His is a standard Epi and mine is a Custom tough so maybe that has something to do with it.

His is Chinese and mine is Korean.

I have yet to pick up a Chinese Epiphone that has wowed me.

All have been really decent dont get me wrong. Almost every Chinese Epiphone I have played has left me thinking it was decent.

But nothing amazing. Nothing that really ever amazed me like my Korean Epi Custom Black Beauty with JB jazz and SH-4 duncans.

Likewise I have played some really bad Gibson's and then I have played some godly ones. I have played some Gibsons worser than Chinses Epi's

So dont be sad if you have a Chinese Epi.

But for the most part as good as my Epi is, it will never touch a Gibson Supreme Les Paul.

That guitar knows no equal.

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