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Old 06-21-2013, 01:56 PM   #1
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Key of this song

Hi All,
I'm listening around on the tube and came across this cover.

I think they are doing it in the key of G Maj.

Do you think I"m correct?



I did a little maj pentatonic soloing over it and it seemed to work but then when I looked up the key I was wrong.
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Old 06-21-2013, 02:00 PM   #2
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looks pretty E minor to me.
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Old 06-21-2013, 02:01 PM   #3
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and this one I can't figure out if it's Ab minor or B maj? I'm I off?

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Old 06-21-2013, 02:04 PM   #4
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looks pretty E minor to me.


which is the relitive minor of G...I'm having a hard time pin pointing which one to work with since the pentantic scales are the same....any ideas how to work on this
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Old 06-21-2013, 02:11 PM   #5
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which is the relitive minor of G...I'm having a hard time pin pointing which one to work with since the pentantic scales are the same....any ideas how to work on this


depends on the root note. G major scale = E minor scale. here the G is Ionian and E is Aeolian. and the song sounds like a minor one, meaning the root is E minor, so you should solo in E Aeolian.

the other song is in G#minor btw
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Old 06-21-2013, 03:14 PM   #6
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depends on the root note. G major scale = E minor scale. here the G is Ionian and E is Aeolian. and the song sounds like a minor one, meaning the root is E minor, so you should solo in E Aeolian.

the other song is in G#minor btw


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Old 06-21-2013, 03:20 PM   #7
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You gotta listen and decide major or minor first. Then the key letter. Then test it - does it resolve to the right root.
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depends on the root note. G major scale = E minor scale. here the G is Ionian and E is Aeolian. and the song sounds like a minor one, meaning the root is E minor, so you should solo in E Aeolian.

the other song is in G#minor btw

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depends on the root note. G major scale = E minor scale. here the G is Ionian and E is Aeolian. and the song sounds like a minor one, meaning the root is E minor, so you should solo in E Aeolian.


Sigh.

The G major scale is not the same scale as the E minor scale. They share the same notes, but the function of the notes is different.

You don't determine the key by comparing notes. You determine the key by listening to the resolution. If you don't know how to hear a resolution, work on your ear. Use the functional ear trainer and you should start to hear resolutions quickly.
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Sigh.

The G major scale is not the same scale as the E minor scale. They share the same notes, but the function of the notes is different.

You don't determine the key by comparing notes. You determine the key by listening to the resolution. If you don't know how to hear a resolution, work on your ear. Use the functional ear trainer and you should start to hear resolutions quickly.


i dont know what you think i said up there, but oh well. the G major scale is the same scale as the E minor scale (meaning they have the same notes). Only the tonic note is G, which makes it a major scale and it's also called an ionian mode. are you going to argue with me on that? please don't.
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i dont know what you think i said up there, but oh well. the G major scale is the same scale as the E minor scale (meaning they have the same notes). Only the tonic note is G, which makes it a major scale and it's also called an ionian mode. are you going to argue with me on that? please don't.


Just because they share same notes, doesn't mean they're the same scale. They function totally differently.
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looks pretty E minor to me.

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i dont know what you think i said up there, but oh well. the G major scale is the same scale as the E minor scale (meaning they have the same notes). Only the tonic note is G, which makes it a major scale and it's also called an ionian mode. are you going to argue with me on that? please don't.

Don't say ionian and aeolian. There is no reason to use those names.

Sharing the same notes does not mean they are the same. Sure, they look the same on the fretboard, but they are not the same musically.
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Just because they share same notes, doesn't mean they're the same scale. They function totally differently.


i know how they function, as i've explained it in the previous post. since the word scale means a set of notes they cud be called the same scale. they're just built differently, having different roots and tonalities. but they are the same ****ing scale and i really dont know whys everyone crying about it.
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The first song sounds like G major. The second one is in G# minor.

Just listen to the song. You should hear the resolution. Which of the chords feels like "home"? That's your tonic.

And why the first one is in G major and not in E minor? IMO overall it sounds more like G major but the C minor chord in the chorus is what really makes it sound like G major and not like E minor. Using the iv chord borrowed from the parallel minor is really usual in a major song and it has a strong pull back to the tonic. Also the verse is a ii-V-I.
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i know how they function, as i've explained it in the previous post. since the word scale means a set of notes they cud be called the same scale. they're just built differently, having different roots and tonalities. but they are the same ****ing scale and i really dont know whys everyone crying about it.


are eb and d# the same thing
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i dont know what you think i said up there, but oh well. the G major scale is the same scale as the E minor scale (meaning they have the same notes). Only the tonic note is G, which makes it a major scale and it's also called an ionian mode. are you going to argue with me on that? please don't.


Yes, I'm going to argue with you.

Because just because two scales have the same notes doesn't mean that they're the same scale.

Each note - not just the root - functions differently. If you understood the concept of note function at all you would know this.

They are not the same scale. They are relative scales. "Relative" is the word that means "they have the same notes."
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Its better understood in keys. Because the rhythm determines the key.

because when your playing the scales over a key. E minor or G major, They are 1 or the other. altho your playing both patterns everywhere. Its better understood as which key your playing in.

because enharmonic's are the same , But different.

Ill be honest if you called them the same I wouldn't argue. If you called them different I wouldn't argue. Its nothing to make a big deal about.

Sometimes these things can be confusing because they are called by different names with the same note. and it makes it really hard to understand how 12 notes can turn into 14 or more on paper.

a interval lesson will include all the intervals with the enharmonic separated? How dumb as if the chromatic scale is in context of a diatonic piece.

I consider D# and Eb the same, because they are. side by side what have you to compare to them now? nothing but 1 tone. Its not till you put them into a scale. and then into a musical piece that they function differently.

labeling scales as modal names is alright under the assumption its a easy way to learn different scale patterns. but in the end it just gives you a firm placement of the major and minor scales along the fretboard.
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