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Old 10-06-2013, 01:01 PM   #21
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For me listening to Schoenberg is sort of like reading a really unpleasant book or watching a disturbing movie, in that I don't exactly enjoy it but I feel compelled to experience it.


Yeah

At the same time there are plenty of good novels/pieces of music/examples of art which are just as highbrow in what they're trying to do which also manage to be entertaining as well, so...

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Yes, it is. However, I must mention that all of these distinctions are available for interpretation, I may say "I consider this art", but I may not say "this is art", since, in the absolute sense, I don't consider it as something that exists, it's just a concept.

So, in general, taste IS indeed acquired, and even something that is universally hated, in the global sense, it is still subjective. Myself I don't consider the use of term "art" actually valid, but I find it to be useful with people who do consider it such, just to let them know that I may have more of a preference towards specific styles- if they are interested.


yeah good luck definining what art actually is

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Changing your approach to how you listen can affect your enjoyment of new music a lot.


So basically I learn to stop listening to that voice inside my head which is saying, "This is pretentious BS?"
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Old 10-06-2013, 02:55 PM   #22
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So basically I learn to stop listening to that voice inside my head which is saying, "This is pretentious BS?"


The people who make this music are smarter and know more about music and art than I do. They dedicate their lives to doing something incredibly difficult to a very small audience. And I'm just not cynical enough to believe composers would do that if there was no substance to this kind of music and there really is nothing to it.

That's my reasoning.
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Old 10-06-2013, 04:48 PM   #23
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If you find it compelling, be compelled.

The 12 note system is not the definition off music, it's merely a translation of certain behavior in the thing we humans perceive as sound.

If you can only experience sound through the 12 note system, then that is perfectly fine and I myself enjoy it the most as off yet.

However, there are millions of variables happening in the changing off a texture in sound.

There's quite some electronic music that delves into this, and some off these people would be better mentioned as sound designers perhaps.

This is something that compels me as well. I have also reached the same levels of excitement with just listening to synthesizers changing timbres to the most complex of sound as I have with traditional music.
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Old 10-06-2013, 05:26 PM   #24
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The people who make this music are smarter and know more about music and art than I do. They dedicate their lives to doing something incredibly difficult to a very small audience. And I'm just not cynical enough to believe composers would do that if there was no substance to this kind of music and there really is nothing to it.

That's my reasoning.


I dunno. Maybe. On the other hand I'm pretty darn cynical.
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Old 10-06-2013, 05:28 PM   #25
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Its probably more satisfying on a cerebral level more than the visceral. Much like how a PhD mathematician will solve theorems in some esoteric branch of their field. Just new visions of exploring the sound dimension is satisfying in its own regard. Breaking free of convention. I dunno just a thought.
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That too.
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