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Old 02-27-2013, 12:59 PM   #1
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Question Help Setting Up My Pedals With Effects Loop.

AMP: Blackstar HT40 combo

Effects: Big MUff pi w tone and wicker/ Ts808/ and mxr delay

Guitar: Gibson Sg Standard

I would like to know a few things: 1. How should i set the pedals up? (muff, ts, delay?) 2. How do i use the effects loop located on the back of my amp? 3. I am looking to work on some pink floyd covers so i was wondering what the best settings would be on for each of the three effect pedals to get close to Gilmours fantastic tone. this sound. Thanks and appreciated. -TK
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Old 02-27-2013, 03:52 PM   #2
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1. I would put the delay in the loop (to get a clear delay sound) and distortion pedals in front of the amp.
2. Plug your FX send into the input of your pedal and the output of your pedal into your FX return.
3. Are you going to use two distortion pedals (I wouldn't)? Have you tried your amp's distortion? Just experiment.

Think if he uses lots of distortion or not that much of distortion (the answer is the latter). What people usually do to get their lead sounds is that they boost their overdrive channels with Tubescreamer (TS gain at low and level at high). You can also use your delay. I'm not that familiar with Gilmour's tone. I'm not sure if he uses fuzz or not. But I think you will get the best sounds if you use your amp's distortion and boost it with your Tubescreamer. Delay on lead sounds is also cool.

I wouldn't try to copy other people's tones, you will never nail the tone because studio tones are studio tones. Even if you had exactly the same gear, you wouldn't get the same tone as his studio tone. In studio you can multitrack and add some EQ and compression and stuff. Studio tones are produced. I would go and find my own tone.
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Old 02-27-2013, 04:31 PM   #3
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Guitar->Big Muff->TS808->Input of amp

Effects loop send->Delay->Effects loop send.
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Old 02-27-2013, 04:38 PM   #4
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Guitar->Big Muff->TS808->Input of amp

Effects loop send->Delay->Effects loop send.

This, dirt pedals sound like arse through fx loops

Also try messing with the dirt channels on the amp if it has one, but I get that you probably have bonded with your pedals before you got the amp so you'd rather use those.
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This, dirt pedals sound like arse through fx loops

Also try messing with the dirt channels on the amp if it has one, but I get that you probably have bonded with your pedals before you got the amp so you'd rather use those.

I've never used the HT40, but I would presume the 808 could be used as a boost for it. Try setting your gain at zero, your level maxed, and your tone to whatever sounds best.
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Old 02-27-2013, 05:06 PM   #6
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Guitar->Big Muff->TS808->Input of amp

Effects loop send->Delay->Effects loop send.



x3

But also try...

Guitar->Big Muff->TS808-> Delay->Input of amp


That can work well too, especially if you're using a clean/cleanish setting on the amp.
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Old 02-27-2013, 05:11 PM   #7
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I've never liked running Od's, distortions and Fuzzes in Effects loop unless they say you can actually run it through the loop. Ive tried it a few times and it always sounded like....bleh.
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Thanks for the replies. Last night I actually used the dirty channel on my amo with the ts808 and delay alone. The Bigmuff is so difficult to use, because you really need to crank the amp up to the point of noise pollution lol.
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Old 02-28-2013, 05:54 PM   #9
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There are no set in stone rules on pedal order, but I believe dirt pedals should be placed in order of gain amount. So the TS would go before the Muff, not after.

But it takes 10 seconds to switch them around. Try both ways and see what works for you.
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Old 02-28-2013, 06:22 PM   #10
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Guitar->Big Muff->TS808->Input of amp

Effects loop send->Delay->Effects loop send.


Other way around. TS set as a boost into the Muff, will be awesome.

Muffs shouldn't be that difficult to set though? You definitely shouldn't need to crank your amp for it to sound good.
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Other way around. TS set as a boost into the Muff, will be awesome.

Muffs shouldn't be that difficult to set though? You definitely shouldn't need to crank your amp for it to sound good.

My thought was that fuzz pedals often work best when they're first in your chain, but on 2nd thought I think thats an issue with buffers, and the 808 is true bypass IIRC.
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