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Old 11-26-2014, 07:41 AM   #65021
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I wouldn't call it inevitable but it's an easy route for lazy politicians to go down.
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Old 11-26-2014, 04:05 PM   #65022
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Of course, but liberalism in general is not synonymous with leftism and leftism implies a greater distaste for the market, whereas liberalism attempts to make the market a fairer one (somehow) and introduces want for greater individual freedom. Ultimately leftism primarily refers to socialist economics rather than acceptance and welcoming of capitalism while believing in the coexistence of individual capital freedom and equality (something almost as contradictory as anarco-capitalism though on a lesser basis).

For these reasons, I consider a comparison between the two to be idiotic because they disagree on the matter of economic system, which is the defining factor as to how the agreeing points work out. imo.

Yeah the right wing are very prone to it and America's actions in destabilising democratically voted socialist nations are evidence enough for this (they not liking to think about the /other/ 9/11). As it is, I don't consider 90% of past attempts at communism to be communism because an autocrat speaks for himself and the class system was still present. It's a quick way of implementing a faux-socialism but it is most certainly not actual communism. Unfortunately the propaganda of a dictator is far more powerful when applied on top of an already capitalist system under change. Cuba seems to be doing well, though, from what I've been told. A couple of Eastern communist countries are thriving in an embarrassing way and Canada has twice attempted at implementing UBI with universal success both times.

I'm very worried about Europe (and surrounding countries) though, Germany are doing better but France and Sweden and the like seem to be implementing some more leftist policies while going really hard on the nationalism. You'd think they'd have learned.


i'd say left-libertarianism is as keen on the freedom you mentioned as the liberal types. but whether it qualifies as liberal or not I dunno.
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Old 12-05-2014, 09:08 AM   #65023
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I don't know if anyone is paying attention to Irish politics (I'd imagine not), but we currently have a situation in which Irish secondary school teachers were out striking on Tuesday. The strike is over a reform to the curriculum in Ireland which would see a state exam that all students sit at ~age 15 no longer be marked externally but instead take the form of a lot of Continuous assessment and be marked by the teachers themselves.

Coincidentally, I'm currently doing a lot of research work on curriculum reform in Ireland. It's a profoundly depressing topic that sums up a lot of what is wrong with the Irish political system (Potted version: "The brits did it this way and we can't be arsed changing it or even discussing if it should be changed"). As a huge supporter of Unions since I became politically active it makes it even more depressing that they're striking to prevent a much needed reform that will give them more professional autonomy. The union also don't seem to see that the reform gives them the ability to strike while keeping the schools open, which would give them godlike control over education policy.
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Old 12-05-2014, 10:36 AM   #65024
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I don't know if anyone is paying attention to Irish politics (I'd imagine not), but we currently have a situation in which Irish secondary school teachers were out striking on Tuesday. The strike is over a reform to the curriculum in Ireland which would see a state exam that all students sit at ~age 15 no longer be marked externally but instead take the form of a lot of Continuous assessment and be marked by the teachers themselves.

Coincidentally, I'm currently doing a lot of research work on curriculum reform in Ireland. It's a profoundly depressing topic that sums up a lot of what is wrong with the Irish political system (Potted version: "The brits did it this way and we can't be arsed changing it or even discussing if it should be changed"). As a huge supporter of Unions since I became politically active it makes it even more depressing that they're striking to prevent a much needed reform that will give them more professional autonomy. The union also don't seem to see that the reform gives them the ability to strike while keeping the schools open, which would give them godlike control over education policy.

What're the union's problems with the reform?
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Old 12-05-2014, 11:12 AM   #65025
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What're the union's problems with the reform?

Primarily, and overridingly, they don't want to have to assess their own students.

Unfortunately for them assessing your own students is a key part of being a professional.
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Old 12-05-2014, 11:15 AM   #65026
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Teachers striking because they don't wanna be teachers, eh?

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Old 12-05-2014, 11:19 AM   #65027
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Old 12-05-2014, 11:30 AM   #65028
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Teachers striking because they don't wanna be teachers, eh?

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That's Ireland for ya. Where education is about beating the other fella, and learning is secondary.
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