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Old 03-15-2013, 06:58 PM   #1
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How to write a thrash metal solo?

Which i'ts the key to compose a thrash metal solo? i know how to improve a simple,but with feeling, blues solo, for example, but when it's a thrash rhythm, my mind is in white and i don't know what to do, it's just so hard to do something with speed and harmony, just like the rattlehead solo or the last rites/loved to death solo from megadeth, i want to know what scales did they use, and if there's a scale that fits with thrash perfectly, because i want to write songs, but it's too hard

(sorry because of my bad english, i'm latin american)

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Old 03-15-2013, 07:03 PM   #2
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Step 1) tune guitar to drop c
Step 2) play this for 5 minutes as fast as you can:000000000000000000000000000000-0-0-0-0-0-0000000000000000000000-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-00000000000000000000000101010101010101000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000-0-0-0-0-0-00000000000000
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Old 03-15-2013, 07:25 PM   #3
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it's just so hard to do something with speed and harmony, just like the rattlehead solo or the last rites/loved to death solo from megadeth, i want to know what scales did they use, and if there's a scale that fits with thrash perfectly, because i want to write songs, but it's too hard

Well, learn music theory and analyze the scales used in your favorite songs.
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Old 03-15-2013, 07:45 PM   #4
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Learning pentatonic minor, harmonic minor and natural minor will get you pretty far with metal soloing.

I also recommend learning some arpeggios (major, minor, diminished).
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Old 03-15-2013, 08:18 PM   #5
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Just take advice from Kirk Hammett and use pentatonic wankery with a wah pedal.
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Old 03-15-2013, 08:50 PM   #6
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Old 03-15-2013, 09:17 PM   #7
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Just take advice from Kirk Hammett and use pentatonic wankery with a wah pedal.

Not just any wah pedal, you must use the signature Kirk wah which has no off switch.


From your idol Kirk Hammett: just use obscene amounts of wah so sound great but don't have to play great
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Old 03-15-2013, 10:24 PM   #8
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Step 1) tune guitar to drop c
Step 2) play this for 5 minutes as fast as you can:000000000000000000000000000000-0-0-0-0-0-0000000000000000000000-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-00000000000000000000000101010101010101000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000-0-0-0-0-0-00000000000000


what trash band plays in drop c? you suck at this

learn some trash solos TS, honestly it's the only way. usually it's just running up and down the minor scale in some shape or form as fast and sloppy as the player can

but you can very well blend other elements in there, i mean you don't have to do what everybody else does. trash metal is an easy foil for crossing genres because nobody takes it too too seriously as long as you can mosh to it
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Old 03-16-2013, 03:38 AM   #9
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1 - learn theory. Do not skip the theory about modes.

2 - watch hat key the song is in. That way you have 1 guaranteed scale that should work over the song for the solo.

3 - bear in mind,that the songs key may shift at some places,sometimes. In those cases,either the there is a switch to another mode,either there is a total transposition. So,if at the solo section there is a transposition,or a change of the songs mode,then you want to write the solo according to what mode you are in. Or by how many semitones the transposition has been made. Or even both sometimes.

I hope i made everything clear.
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Old 03-16-2013, 03:38 AM   #10
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Btw,another good idea is to watch the chord tones also.
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Old 03-16-2013, 03:43 AM   #11
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1 - learn theory. Do not skip the theory about modes.

no

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3 - bear in mind,that the songs key may shift at some places,sometimes. In those cases,either the there is a switch to another mode,either there is a total transposition. So,if at the solo section there is a transposition,or a change of the songs mode,then you want to write the solo according to what mode you are in. Or by how many semitones the transposition has been made. Or even both sometimes.

I hope i made everything clear.


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Btw,another good idea is to watch the chord tones also.


have you ever listened to thrash metal?
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Old 03-16-2013, 03:44 AM   #12
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Step 1) tune guitar to drop c
Step 2) play this for 5 minutes as fast as you can:000000000000000000000000000000-0-0-0-0-0-0000000000000000000000-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-00000000000000000000000101010101010101000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000-0-0-0-0-0-00000000000000

fail


I personally use tons of harmonic minor as well as some melodic sweep arpeggios/tapping with the appropriate song of course. Fast pentatonic runs works well also with alot of bends thrown in. Just make it have some melody and dont alternate pick as fast as you can random notes.
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Old 03-16-2013, 08:46 AM   #13
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Mustaine's solos usually consists of the minor pentatonic scale, the blues scale and the natural minor scale.


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Old 03-16-2013, 09:32 AM   #14
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All that stuff you learned about following chords? Throw it out. Rarely in a thrash song will you be following a chord progression, and more than likely you'll be just going over a riff, so determine the key and get going. Thrash metal solos don't have to be about speed unless you're in a Slayer-esque band, so essentially just come up with melodies that you like within that key, and if they fit, keep them. It seems you're uncomfortable with playing fast, so another tip is to work on that, so you can reach those speeds. The best thrash solo, IMO, is one that perfectly blends speed and melody.
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Old 03-16-2013, 09:41 AM   #15
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All that stuff you learned about following chords? Throw it out. Rarely in a thrash song will you be following a chord progression, and more than likely you'll be just going over a riff, so determine the key and get going. Thrash metal solos don't have to be about speed unless you're in a Slayer-esque band, so essentially just come up with melodies that you like within that key, and if they fit, keep them. It seems you're uncomfortable with playing fast, so another tip is to work on that, so you can reach those speeds. The best thrash solo, IMO, is one that perfectly blends speed and melody.

Well, if there is a chord progression, you need to follow it (otherwise your playing will not sound good). But many times Thrash riffs are built over one chord. So really there is a chord progression but it's just one chord all the time (though it might modulate). And really, many solos have a progression behind it. Listen to Leper Messiah by Metallica (first song that came to my mind). It has a progression E5-F5-G5-A5 (that functions as Em-F-G-Am).
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