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Old 08-10-2014, 11:56 PM   #5741
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Old 08-12-2014, 12:55 PM   #5742
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What would you call this chord: ACGF, F as a tension.

The context is that it's a variation of the I minor chord in a minor blues. Specifically, how would you treat the tension?

Will it be a flat 13 or just a 13…?
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Old 08-12-2014, 03:05 PM   #5743
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What would you call this chord: ACGF, F as a tension.

The context is that it's a variation of the I minor chord in a minor blues. Specifically, how would you treat the tension?

Will it be a flat 13 or just a 13…?



It would be 13.. Not b13, the minor 6th is just assumed if I'm not mistaken.

However, chances are that it will be acting as a Fadd9.

If by a variation you mean you bounce around on Am7 and the F is one of the notes play then it might just be a passing tone of sorts.

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Old 08-12-2014, 03:38 PM   #5744
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What context might it be construed to be a flat 13 in?
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Old 08-12-2014, 05:12 PM   #5745
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I could be wrong here, but my understanding is that all extensions are assumed to come from the major key unless otherwise specified. So in this case, it would be a flat 13. Also because you have the third and the seventh, it is not an added note, but rather an extension, so you would write Am7b13. Make sense?
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Old 08-15-2014, 02:37 AM   #5746
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Yeah, that's what I wanted to confirm. Thanks!
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Old 08-16-2014, 10:21 PM   #5747
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It's impossible to know for sure without the whole progression, but I there is also a possibility the note F may actually be a #5 and not a b13.

If the F is part of an ascending melodic line, as in the "Secret Agent Man" figure its probably a #5. Otherwise, it's usually a b13.

But this is a huge debate in itself, and irrelevant to the rest of the damn thread,so I won't open the worm can further.
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Old 09-02-2014, 05:31 PM   #5748
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well i have problem on knowing with this chords the formula is in

C major scale
2 3 5 7

A minor Scale
2 4 5 7

its a driving me crazy cause it does have a root its the same as Cadd9 but instead of using the C it replaces with a B note, HELP!


If I understand you correctly you are showing the scale degrees, so

C major scale
2 3 5 7

Is D E G B This is an Em7 chord with a D in the bass. You could call it Em/D or Em7/D
Em7 in third inversion.

A minor Scale
2 4 5 7

This would be B D E G Again this is an Em7 chord, this time with a B in the bass. Em7/B
Em7 chord in second inversion.
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Old 09-16-2014, 12:42 PM   #5749
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What would you call this chord: ACGF, F as a tension.

The context is that it's a variation of the I minor chord in a minor blues. Specifically, how would you treat the tension?

Will it be a flat 13 or just a 13…?


Only dom7 chords have can have 13s, if it's not a dom7 (and it's not -- it's a min7) it's not a 13.

usually min7 with a "flat 13" is a I for IIImin7 with the 9 added (so your chord would be F9)

But that doesn't fit as your I chord, so I dunno.

The structure is probably best described as a minor 7 add flat 6.
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Old 09-17-2014, 05:28 AM   #5750
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Only dom7 chords have can have 13s, if it's not a dom7 (and it's not -- it's a min7) it's not a 13.

usually min7 with a "flat 13" is a I for IIImin7 with the 9 added (so your chord would be F9)

But that doesn't fit as your I chord, so I dunno.

The structure is probably best described as a minor 7 add flat 6.

I may be wrong here, but my understanding is that extensions are only added if there's no 7th in the chord. Any kind of 7 chord - dom, major, minor, half dim, minor major - can have extensions.

So I would call that chord Am7b13.
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Old 09-21-2014, 09:21 AM   #5751
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I may be wrong here, but my understanding is that extensions are only added if there's no 7th in the chord. Any kind of 7 chord - dom, major, minor, half dim, minor major - can have extensions.

So I would call that chord Am7b13.


You can tensions whenever you want, the thing about the "7th" is that would change the chord name, for example, the chord you named.

With a 7th it would be as you said, Am7(b13)
Without it, the name it's Am (add b6) or Am (-6)


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What would you call this chord: ACGF, F as a tension.

The context is that it's a variation of the I minor chord in a minor blues. Specifically, how would you treat the tension?

Will it be a flat 13 or just a 13…?


Well, I would call that chord as Skater901 did Am7(b13)
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