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01-08-2009, 05:05 PM

#41

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Originally Posted by Freepower

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I'm a bit of a drum nut when it comes to composition so first of all I'd say I would have really liked some more active drumming. You've said that you weren't exactly trying to make them that exciting but I still woulda liked a bit more flair

It was a cool riff and I really liked the solo and the little lead at bar 11, but I was really hoping that you'd get a bit more of a melody going to match the exoticness of that Koto track, rather than just repeating the same little shapes. Actually, I think that could have happened if you'd cut the 8 bars of rhythm before the solo comes in over it so that it's a more convincing segue. I appreciate that the GP file isn't meant to be taken as law for this piece, but maybe just some notes to fade in/out on would make some of the transitions a little smoother, too

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01-08-2009, 07:11 PM

#42

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Originally Posted by DarTHie

bar 55 - What A Wonderful World - please listen to that part

HAHA.

Oh wow. I just totally heard it in that context too.

I used that chord movement (Bbdim - Dm - Edim - Dm) a few more times in the song, but I guess that phrase brings it out more.

Awesome.

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01-08-2009, 07:50 PM

#43

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*similarly quotes with economy*

Thanks for all the tips!

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01-08-2009, 08:07 PM

#44

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Originally Posted by michal23

As I said I would earlier, I've uploaded two of my acoustic pieces. They're only about a minute long each (first one repeats), and is what I came up with messing around with different tunings. I was initially gonna upload my recordings, but the file size is too large even when compressed. You'll have to make do with MIDI...

Not bad, I would like to hear your recordings. Are they on your profile?

In the one titled 8 I honestly felt like that Eb was just a bum note. That dissonance was just too strong for my taste. Maybe it's the midi that doesn't help and the timbre of a real guitar would breathe life into it - idk.

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01-08-2009, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by 20Tigers

It isn't to me. But I always had a knack for that major into minor stuff...

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01-08-2009, 08:39 PM	#46
xxdarrenxx UG Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Amsterdam, The Netherlands	^^ to the "8" If you take that bar with the 2 Eb notes and make the 2nd a D note, then it could fit more nicely. __________________ The "Re-incarnation of Plato" Award 2009 (most intelligent) The "Good Samaritan" Award 2009 (most helpful) My Youtube Channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/xdarrenx Who's Andy Timmons??

01-08-2009, 08:43 PM

#47

SG Man Forever

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Originally Posted by xxdarrenxx

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I found the bassline in relation to the overlapping parts was stressing it to much with the occasional E note, which would aurally be "nicer" if it was just D (or if you want to keep the "downward" contour, a G or an A note ), but that's just my opinion. I do know if you would play that live with a few stacks, people will die from that dissonance

Because if the lowest sound is dissonant it will have effect on the entire piece of music.

As for the solo; I listen to everything in a guitarsolo (dynamics, sound, timing, timbre etc.) so I won't comment on this, cause it's midi.

I personally didn't find it to be dissonant, but I might change it from an E to an F instead (minor third). I'll give it a try.

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01-08-2009, 09:10 PM

#48

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Bass note changed to F, except for the first bit, which I thought fit. I like it better this way. I also fixed an error in the bass towards the end.

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01-08-2009, 10:44 PM	#49
one vision Trolling /sg/ Join Date: May 2007 Location: Toronto, ON	Ok, I've been experimenting with a progression that's (for the sake of simplicity, transposed to C Major) C - A7 - Bb6 Just by looking at this, you would expect it to be in the key of D minor, but it resolves to C major if I remember correctly. So...am I using some kind of chord substitutions that I'm not aware of? I just hate composing stuff that I can't theoretically explain. Any help? __________________ Gibson SG '61 Reissue w/ B7 Bigsby & Gold Hardware, bitch / Almansa Cutaway 403 / VOX AD50 / Fender Acoustasonic 30 / Fulltone Clyde Wah New composition, the shit's dope. SoundCloud /sg/ - Solid Guitar

01-08-2009, 10:50 PM	#50
SG Man Forever all dongs go to heaven Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Texas	It resolves to C mixolydian. Similar, but not C major __________________ ALWAYS WANNA BE WITH YOU, MAKE BELIEVE WITH YOU, AND LIVE IN HARMONY, HARMONY, OH, LOOVE!

01-08-2009, 10:53 PM	#51
one vision Trolling /sg/ Join Date: May 2007 Location: Toronto, ON	Yeah, still on a C major chord though is what I meant. How would you explain the A7? Relative-parallel major? I'm stumped. __________________ Gibson SG '61 Reissue w/ B7 Bigsby & Gold Hardware, bitch / Almansa Cutaway 403 / VOX AD50 / Fender Acoustasonic 30 / Fulltone Clyde Wah New composition, the shit's dope. SoundCloud /sg/ - Solid Guitar

01-08-2009, 10:56 PM	#52
SG Man Forever all dongs go to heaven Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Texas	^harmonic minor, then back to aeolian. __________________ ALWAYS WANNA BE WITH YOU, MAKE BELIEVE WITH YOU, AND LIVE IN HARMONY, HARMONY, OH, LOOVE!

01-08-2009, 10:58 PM	#53
one vision Trolling /sg/ Join Date: May 2007 Location: Toronto, ON	I'll just consider it a secondary dominant of D minor. So... ii/V Yeah? __________________ Gibson SG '61 Reissue w/ B7 Bigsby & Gold Hardware, bitch / Almansa Cutaway 403 / VOX AD50 / Fender Acoustasonic 30 / Fulltone Clyde Wah New composition, the shit's dope. SoundCloud /sg/ - Solid Guitar

01-08-2009, 11:03 PM

#54

SG Man Forever

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Originally Posted by one vision

I'll just consider it a secondary dominant of D minor.

So...

ii/V

Yeah?

Nah man,

VII, V, VI.

Second chord just uses the raised seventh of D harmonic minor.

At least, that's how I interpret it.

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01-09-2009, 03:14 AM	#55
GoldenGuitar Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007	Michal23 the harmony in your composition is fantastic, I can't wait hear it when it's completed, usually the hard part is getting a good ending. Oh and xxxdarrenxxx you can find the recording on my profile.

01-09-2009, 03:15 AM	#56
one vision Trolling /sg/ Join Date: May 2007 Location: Toronto, ON	I never compose anything in order. The end came right after I wrote the theme for my composition. The middle section came last __________________ Gibson SG '61 Reissue w/ B7 Bigsby & Gold Hardware, bitch / Almansa Cutaway 403 / VOX AD50 / Fender Acoustasonic 30 / Fulltone Clyde Wah New composition, the shit's dope. SoundCloud /sg/ - Solid Guitar

01-09-2009, 03:21 AM

#57

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Originally Posted by one vision

I never compose anything in order.

The end came right after I wrote the theme for my composition.

The middle section came last

lol, was it awkward trying to fit something in that will fill it? Or does it come straight from your head instantly.

01-09-2009, 03:39 AM	#58
one vision Trolling /sg/ Join Date: May 2007 Location: Toronto, ON	Umm, I had a few phrases worked out, and towards the end, I was just kind of making transitions between them. Like I have the theme, and then the secondary theme, and then just stuff in between that. Same goes for the second section. The middle section is just there to contrast. And it was pretty hard, because I came up with a good bit, and think to myself, "where the hell is this going to go?" . __________________ Gibson SG '61 Reissue w/ B7 Bigsby & Gold Hardware, bitch / Almansa Cutaway 403 / VOX AD50 / Fender Acoustasonic 30 / Fulltone Clyde Wah New composition, the shit's dope. SoundCloud /sg/ - Solid Guitar

01-09-2009, 04:57 AM

#59

xxdarrenxx

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Quote:

Originally Posted by one vision

Ok, I've been experimenting with a progression that's (for the sake of simplicity, transposed to C Major) C - A7 - Bb6

Just by looking at this, you would expect it to be in the key of D minor, but it resolves to C major if I remember correctly. So...am I using some kind of chord substitutions that I'm not aware of?

I just hate composing stuff that I can't theoretically explain.

Any help?

Well first of, it's a nice progression and how you wrote it, it's C mixolydian.

The last chord, and it wants to resolve because it's has the tension of an Csus4 chord with an A# in the bottom (which makes it a modal vamp (mixolydian), which wants to lead into the C of course.

The A7 is a chord substitution.

You made an Mixo modal vamp, by using that A# while still resolving to C because of that sus4 sound.

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01-09-2009, 04:59 AM	#60
one vision Trolling /sg/ Join Date: May 2007 Location: Toronto, ON	Lol. Yay. Haha. I'll give it a try. And I agree, it doesn't necessarily pull towards C, but it's certainly a possibilty. Thanks __________________ Gibson SG '61 Reissue w/ B7 Bigsby & Gold Hardware, bitch / Almansa Cutaway 403 / VOX AD50 / Fender Acoustasonic 30 / Fulltone Clyde Wah New composition, the shit's dope. SoundCloud /sg/ - Solid Guitar Last edited by one vision : 01-09-2009 at 05:00 AM.

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