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Old 09-15-2014, 06:19 PM   #1
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Amp modification or just a new amp?

So I've got a 6505 head and I really like it a lot, but sometimes it's hard for me to get the tone I really want (Memphis May Fire, Of Mice & Men, etc.), it just seems like there's something missing; and I've been considering getting a new amp when I have the $$$$, just today I was looking into having it modded by Voodoo Amps. So I was just wondering which option would be better.

I'm like the idea of the mod because of cost compared to buying a new amp all together. But I'm also hesitant because I just don't really know what it would sound like after the mod.

So any suggestions would be appreciated.
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Old 09-15-2014, 06:28 PM   #2
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Using a TS as a boost?
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Old 09-15-2014, 06:29 PM   #3
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Old 09-15-2014, 06:32 PM   #4
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Should have said, OD pedal. What don't you like about your amp at the moment?
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Old 09-15-2014, 06:36 PM   #5
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How hard are you pushing it? What cab are you using? If you have a good level, and a quality cab suited for it then an eq pedal might be a good option to consider before sending an amp off for a mod that you aren't sure will turn the amp into what you want.
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Old 09-15-2014, 06:47 PM   #6
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Kellen McGregor of Memphis May Fire uses a Fireball 100 and a Maxon OD808 through a Mesa 412.

In a 2011 interview with Of Mice & Men they said they use a Framus Cobra and a Dual Rectifier into Mesa 412s live.

However, a 6505 is a metalcore machine. Probably the metalcore machine. It's either the cab or user error.
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Old 09-15-2014, 07:15 PM   #7
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No reason a 6505 won't get you a good tone. It just needs a boost up front to tighten it up, which you have covered, and a noise suppressor and eq in the loop work great to adjust the tone and cut down the noise. The main addition is a good cab. By good I mean a Mesa 4x12, maybe an Avatar contemporary 4x12 or a Vader cab would work. I like a 2x12 and those are acceptable, but a 4x12 helps with those styles a bit more IMO. So what cab and speaker combination are you using.
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Old 09-15-2014, 08:34 PM   #8
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Just out of interest, how do you have the MXR set?
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We really need to know what cab you are running. Please respond
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Old 09-15-2014, 08:53 PM   #10
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Old 09-15-2014, 11:07 PM   #11
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Should have said, OD pedal. What don't you like about your amp at the moment?


I guess the best way for me to describe it is that it sounds kind of fizzy when I have the highs turned up, but when I lower the highs and crank the mids it lacks something though, you know?

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How hard are you pushing it? What cab are you using? If you have a good level, and a quality cab suited for it then an eq pedal might be a good option to consider before sending an amp off for a mod that you aren't sure will turn the amp into what you want.


My EQ is usually set as so:

Gain: 4.5-5.5
Low: 5-6
Mid: 8-9
High: 5-6
Resonance: 7-9
Presence: 5-6

Also I'm using an Orange 4x12 cab. Yeah I've been mulling getting a Boss GE-7 to use with it.


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Just out of interest, how do you have the MXR set?


Output: 10 o'clock
Tone: Noon
Gain: 9 o'clock-10 o'clock



And honestly, I'm a bit of a noob when it comes to EQ-ing and whatnot, so I'm still kind of learning what to do and what not to do

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Old 09-16-2014, 01:42 AM   #12
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When was last retube? What kind of tubes?
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When was last retube? What kind of tubes?


I haven't changed tubes yet

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Friend retube with JJ tubes all around and was a huge improvement from factory. So maybe look at that first, or do preamp 1st.
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Old 09-16-2014, 09:19 PM   #16
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Also try getting some 5751 and 12at7 tubes for the preamp. Strongly suggest putting in a 5751 in the PI (V5) to tame some of the noise. I also try a 5751 in V1 to give the gain a little bit more usable range. The 12at7 in V1 took away too much gain for my liking.

For tubes I'd suggest a retube set from Eurotubes and pick up the extra preamp tubes to experiment with.

At least, this is what I did with my 5150.

Also go with an MXR 10-Band EQ in the loop so you can control the volume and gain if you need to.
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Old 09-16-2014, 09:22 PM   #17
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My EQ is usually set as so:

Gain: 4.5-5.5
Low: 5-6
Mid: 8-9
High: 5-6
Resonance: 7-9
Presence: 5-6

I'd turn up the gain, lows, and highs up. I'd turn the mids down. It's been a year or two since I listened to that type of music, but as far as I remember, they scoop their mids.

Mid-scooping is kind of looked down on in the guitar community because it makes it tougher to be heard in the mix. It works well enough for me. Again, working from memory. those bands use Mesa Boogie heads and V30s, but the Peavey 6505 is a standard in modern high-gain, so it should do just fine. What kind of guitar are you playing?
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Old 09-16-2014, 10:00 PM   #18
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I guess the best way for me to describe it is that it sounds kind of fizzy when I have the highs turned up, but when I lower the highs and crank the mids it lacks something though, you know?[


I would recommend an MXR 10 band eq pedal before anything else in your situation. I think putting it in the loop with a drastic cut to 16kHz and a moderate cut to 8 kHz will really help you out. You can EQ on your own from there. Tube changes and mods alone will probably not get you the results you seek.
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I'd turn up the gain, lows, and highs up. I'd turn the mids down. It's been a year or two since I listened to that type of music, but as far as I remember, they scoop their mids.

Mid-scooping is kind of looked down on in the guitar community because it makes it tougher to be heard in the mix. It works well enough for me. Again, working from memory. those bands use Mesa Boogie heads and V30s, but the Peavey 6505 is a standard in modern high-gain, so it should do just fine. What kind of guitar are you playing?


It's really hard to truly "scoop" the mids on a 6505. Even with the mids on 2, there are more mids there than many other amps. The fact that he's running his on 7-8; it's no surprise it doesn't sound good. That's way too much (in my opinion), but then again, I don't care at all for this modern notion that mids need to be cranked. You need enough mids to cut through in a band mix, but going over that just sounds harsh to me.
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I would recommend an MXR 10 band eq pedal before anything else in your situation. I think putting it in the loop with a drastic cut to 16kHz and a moderate cut to 8 kHz will really help you out. You can EQ on your own from there. Tube changes and mods alone will probably not get you the results you seek.


This. It's exactly what I do to get rid of fizz. Tubes can help (and certainly make the overall tone better), but it wasn't until I got an MXR and cut the very highest highs aggressively that the fizz went away completely.

Furthermore, having 10 bands of EQ to play with can really affect the tone of your amp. As long as the amp is within the ballpark of your desired tone, an EQ pedal can make a huge difference.
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