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Old 12-24-2014, 05:04 PM   #1
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Dual Rectifier or TSL 100?

I really want a 3 channel 100 watt head. I don't like using stomp boxes for distortion, but I need something that has the versatility to switch between beautiful clean and crushingly heavy distortion. I used to own a TSL 100 and remember that it could do such things, but have been seeing more and more used Dual Rectifiers pop up for cheap. Genres I primarily play are post rock, black metal, or doom metal. I need this to be road worthy, and not particularly noisy (dont remember if the tsl was...)

Here are my choices:
TSL 100 with an ata road case for under $700 that needs new power tubes (~$65)

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a Pre 2010 Mesa Dual Rectifier for around $900

Keep in mind, i can retube and bias it myself, and I don't think I would want a triple rectifier even though i can find one for around the same price. I don't really think i'll need the added headroom from the extra 50 watts. I'm not really interested in any other amps unless they have 3 channels, good clean, lots of gain, and are around $1000. Any thoughts on what I should do?
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Old 12-24-2014, 05:09 PM   #2
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Out of the two I would take the Rec, but if I was looking for a three channel amp I would grab an EVH 50 watt 5150 III head. Also consider a Carvin V3 for something a bit cheaper.
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Old 12-24-2014, 05:12 PM   #3
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I would take the Rectifier.
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Old 12-24-2014, 05:35 PM   #4
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XXX/JSX first. Rectifier second. Wouldn't even consider the TSL.
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Old 12-24-2014, 05:47 PM   #5
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XXX/JSX first. Rectifier second. Wouldn't even consider the TSL.


I'll second the JSX (now rebadged the Butcher 50 watt and the XXX II 100 watt). I have found that the original XXX ultra channel is kind of messy and the amp as a whole leaves something to be desired, so I won't recommend that. Definitely check out the JSX though.

You may also like the Marshall JVM410.
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Old 12-24-2014, 05:59 PM   #6
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If you can find one, a Marshall 6100/6101, basically the same amp, but the 6101 is a combo. 3 channel, middle channel has 3 modes for varying amounts of gain, according to Marshall, to sound like a JTM45/JCM800/JCM900SLX depending on the mode selected
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Old 12-24-2014, 06:00 PM   #7
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^exellent suggestion, what the JVM should have been really.
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Old 12-24-2014, 06:12 PM   #8
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Take the rec. My xxx is on its way out to damn touchy and trebley can't dial it in easy and I've been at it for 6 mos.
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Old 12-24-2014, 06:21 PM   #9
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Dual rec any day of the week.

And I hate them.

But the TSL pales in comparison.
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Take the rec. My xxx is on its way out to damn touchy and trebley can't dial it in easy and I've been at it for 6 mos.

I find the opposite true. I have a Rev G 2 channel rec and I really dont think it sounds good on either red or orange. However I play mostly thrash and old Sabbath so the XXX is very easy to dial in. JSX is tamer and less touchy though.
But it really depends on what your after in tone. What do you play?

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Old 12-24-2014, 06:37 PM   #11
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XXX/JSX first. Rectifier second. Wouldn't even consider the TSL.

Yes.

Also, monitor CL and GC for a used MB Roadster. I've seen a couple for $900 ... awesome Clean all the way to Carnage.
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Old 12-24-2014, 07:05 PM   #12
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TSL was a weaker version of the DSL, something they did about splitting the preamp tubes on too many channels, I don't remember exactly but it wasn't a very good sounding amplifier, at least the ones I tried weren't. The DSL is better.
It all boils down to whether you're a Marshall or a Mesa guy. I think each have their own signature sounds that are different and sought after. The Marshall has that grind that cuts through anything, the Mesa has that thickness and heaviness that crushes so...it is really up to you.

I'd probably go with the Mesa at this point cause I've had the Marshall for a while

I'd suggest that you compare DSL (instead of TSL unless you like the TSL) vs Mesa Dual at this point.

A few other amps to look at (some people suggested these already): Carvin V3, Peavey JSX, Soldano SLO, VHT/Fryette Sig X, VHT/Fryette Pitbull, Rivera Knuckelhead, Laney VH50 or 100 watt, GH 50 or 100 watt... maybe even some of the bigger Orange amps but I don't think you can get them that cheap used.
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^^ Modern metal classic rock blues just haven't had luck with the xxx. Great build and quality wise but its active eq compared to my mesas is a wreck.
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Old 12-24-2014, 07:26 PM   #14
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Old 12-24-2014, 08:21 PM   #15
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I actually just sold my DSL100 for this reason. I need a 3 channel amp. The DSL was fantastic at what it did, but didn't want to mod it, so im looking for something else now. I'll look into the XXX, I feel like I honestly like the clean of the tsl100 more than the mesa though. I just saw 2 jvm 410s on reverb for $1200 though.
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Old 12-24-2014, 09:48 PM   #17
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Peavey 6534+. Not technically 3 channels, but sort of is, and all 3 modes can be accessed w/ footswitch.

EVH 5150 III if you can find one cheap enough. The 50W is meh in comparison.

JSX is a great amp but you might have to boost it.

I didn't like the JVM until I played it through the 1960AHW (G12H55 Heritage speakers). Then it was gnarly. It's pretty disappointing through T75s and V30s.
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Old 12-24-2014, 11:11 PM   #18
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Yeah, I love peavey and a 6505 or 6534 would be cool but it isn't 3 channel really. Plus, the clean isn't that great. I want a road ready amp of monolithic destruction. I have a rectifier 4x12 with v30s. Also, just found a jvm410 for $1200 with an ATA case but no footswitch. The switched for the thing is like $157. I'd save money getting a dual rec and just buying a road case separately. All of that being said, the only mesa I've ever played through was a stiletto trident and I HATED it!

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Old 12-24-2014, 11:47 PM   #19
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The Egnater Vengeance is a 2-channel amp, but performs more like a 3-4 channel amp when you consider the voicing options and addition of a tubescreamer pedal. The clean is really nice, and the gain channel has enough gain for a really light crunch, all the way to a modern metal distortion with a tight lowend (or open, if you fancy). The tone has been compared to a hotrodded marshall, although I cant confirm that because Ive never played a hotrodded marshall. But i owned the vengeance for about 2 years and it performs well recorded and live. The caveat though is that its voicing is pretty unique sounding, atleast compared to the amps that Ive played. It just sounds a lot different. You should definitly play it before you buy it. Its not the kind of amp that i would recommend ordering on a whim. But it is highly versatile and quality nonetheless (and affordable, last i checked!)

The Armageddon is the vengeance's big brother. It has "three channels" but i think the third channel is just a gain boost, not a dedicated channel. It also has a built in isp noisegate. That may be the direction you want if you sincerely want the 3 channels and need the noisegate. Otherwise, id say go for the vengeance because it takes tubescreamers really well on either the clean or dirty channel.
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Honestly, I love the Recto sound, but I will not buy a pre-2010 3 channel again. I wasn't huge on the TSL, but quite enjoyed the DSL50 I used to jam on at band practices. If I had to choose between the TSL and a 3-channel Recto, I'd get the TSL. Unless you like boomy, flubby bass with little note definition and just want a huge wall of sound for power chords, I'd stay away from the 3 channel

If you really need 3 channels, the Mark IV or III can be had for under a grand and I'd take it over either. Otherwise, the 50w 5150 III head is pretty bitchin and you can get them for $850 new.
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