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Old 12-09-2014, 11:42 PM   #1
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When your guitar has no whammy bar

So let's say you're learning a song in which the guitar solo has some dive bombs and stuff in it, but your guitar doesn't have a whammy bar / floyd rose / kahler / whatever. What are the options you could do to replace the dive bombs and stuff?
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Old 12-10-2014, 02:13 AM   #2
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This is certainly one option:
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Old 12-10-2014, 02:13 AM   #3
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with a whammy pedal set to an octave or 2 down it would sound about right
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Old 12-10-2014, 03:10 AM   #4
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Old 12-10-2014, 04:11 AM   #5
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I use the whammy pedal and the Line 6 FM4 set to octisynth, it make the same noise as Paul Gilbert's aero plane Flanger Crazy!!

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Old 12-10-2014, 05:59 AM   #6
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So let's say you're learning a song in which the guitar solo has some dive bombs and stuff in it, but your guitar doesn't have a whammy bar / floyd rose / kahler / whatever. What are the options you could do to replace the dive bombs and stuff?

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Old 12-10-2014, 06:29 AM   #7
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This is certainly one option:

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So let's say you're learning a song in which the guitar solo has some dive bombs and stuff in it, but your guitar doesn't have a whammy bar / floyd rose / kahler / whatever. What are the options you could do to replace the dive bombs and stuff?

For slight dips in the whammy bar (one semitone or less), I push forward on the back of the headstock, which slackens the strings slightly, enough to cause a slight drop in pitch. Of course, you're not going to be able to do any Dimebag-esque divebombs with it, but it'll facilitate a few whammy bar things. You also run the risk of damaging or destroying your guitar if you do it too much or too hard, though I've never run into any problems.

Otherwise, I would just slide down from the note if it's being fretted, and if not, I don't really have a solution.

Whammy pedals work fine, too, but 1) they're expensive for beginners, 2) they sound a bit different and it's harder to get some of the finer physical control you have with the bar.
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Old 12-10-2014, 11:15 AM   #9
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Whammy pedals work fine, too, but 1) they're expensive for beginners, 2) they sound a bit different and it's harder to get some of the finer physical control you have with the bar.


Just to add to this, the "problem" with the Whammy pedal that people need to understand is that you're simply shifting your guitar sound up or down by digitally speeding up or slowing down the sound waves. When you change pitch on a guitar, different notes are tonally different based on a number of factors, such as string thickness and tension.

It's like if you have ever played a note on one string, and then played the same note on another string. The sound is different, especially when the strings are not adjacent (and therefore farther apart in string thickness) or when going from a plain to wound string.

The differences are fairly subtle relatively speaking, but certainly notable to the average musician. I'm sure there are spectrogram pictures out there to illustrate the tonal difference between two notes on different strings, but I can't be bothered at the moment to look for any.

Dropping the whammy bar has the same effect since you are changing the tension of the string and therefore changing the way the string vibrates in terms of tone, which is something that the Whammy pedal does do, since it just pitch shifts.

On the other hand, the Whammy pedal does have aesthetic value because of this difference since a guitar cannot produce the same sounds in terms of tone that pitch shifting produces.
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Old 12-10-2014, 02:52 PM   #10
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Option 1: Hook up a whammy system/buy a guitar with a whammy system.
Option 2: Use a whammy pedal to detune your strings
Option 3: Detune your string with the tuners (my favorite)
Option 4: Use a time-based, adjustable delay and increase the time rapidly and consistently (a la "Eruption")
Option 5:
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Old 12-11-2014, 03:05 AM   #11
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Tune down with the tuning peg.
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Old 12-11-2014, 05:57 AM   #12
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Old 12-11-2014, 07:30 AM   #13
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Just so we're 100% clear, you're not going to get the whammy bar sound without a whammy bar. It's just not going to happen. Nothing sounds like it with the same range of pitch at all. Neck bending, behind the nut bending, detuning with the tuners, whammy pedals, all either sound different or don't have the same pitch range, and most of them only go in one direction anyway.
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Just so we're 100% clear, you're not going to get the whammy bar sound without a whammy bar. It's just not going to happen. Nothing sounds like it with the same range of pitch at all. Neck bending, behind the nut bending, detuning with the tuners, whammy pedals, all either sound different or don't have the same pitch range, and most of them only go in one direction anyway.


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