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Old 04-12-2009, 12:44 AM   #1
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GFS Lil Killers or DragonFire Black Rails?

To anyone who's owned both pickups, please give comparative feedback. Also, if you own either, let me know what you think about the pickup. I'm trying to decide between GFS's calibrated Lil Killer Black Rails set or DragonFire Black Rails pickups.
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Old 04-12-2009, 11:12 AM   #2
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I got the Lil Punchers (tele version of lil killers) in my tele and really like them. They retain the character of a single coil (attack and cut) while gaining some of that of a humbucker (more girth and hum-canceling). I am really happy with them and they are worth the price I paid ($50 for a bridge/neck set).
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Old 04-12-2009, 11:20 AM   #3
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sorry to hijack but does anyone ever tried a DragonFire Pickup???
they seem pretty cheap ($29 for 2!!)
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Old 04-13-2009, 12:15 AM   #4
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I got the Lil Punchers (tele version of lil killers) in my tele and really like them. They retain the character of a single coil (attack and cut) while gaining some of that of a humbucker (more girth and hum-canceling). I am really happy with them and they are worth the price I paid ($50 for a bridge/neck set).

Good to know. Thanks! What did your set come with?

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sorry to hijack but does anyone ever tried a DragonFire Pickup???
they seem pretty cheap ($29 for 2!!)

It's ok. I'm interested specifically in the Black Rails from DragonFire, but I'd love to hear about their other pickups as well.
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Old 04-13-2009, 12:19 AM   #5
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gtr_101 had a set of Dragonfire pickups... I believe he thought they were muddy.
He ended up getting GFS pickups and hasn't turned back since.

PM him for his opinion.

I have no comment, just thought I would add this.
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Old 04-13-2009, 12:55 AM   #6
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I ordered mine as a set, and the set includes a bridge and a neck p-up. The strat set includes p-ups for all 3 positions.
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Old 04-13-2009, 01:40 AM   #7
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I have dragonfires in my HSH Strat. Don't like them at all. Theres a **** ton of gain but there's no character, they're just buzzy and lifeless.
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Old 04-13-2009, 11:07 PM   #8
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I ordered mine as a set, and the set includes a bridge and a neck p-up. The strat set includes p-ups for all 3 positions.

I was wondering if it came with springs, screws, extra wire, etc. or not. Considering how inexpensive the set is though, I wouldn't complain otherwise.

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I have dragonfires in my HSH Strat. Don't like them at all. Theres a **** ton of gain but there's no character, they're just buzzy and lifeless.

So they're lifeless? I'm considering wiring my Strat HSS sized but really have it HSHH. By this I mean have the Hot Rail as the bridge, a bluesy warm single coil as the secondary bridge, and the other two hotrails as the mid and neck pickups. I'd also wire the hot rails for split coil. Has anyone done split coil with the hot rails? How does it sound?

If you could upload clean unprocessed sound clips of the pickups, it'd make me a happy panda.

EDIT: Also, what pots do you use, and what's the rating of your cap, if you have one installed?
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Old 04-14-2009, 02:43 PM   #11
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If you could upload clean unprocessed sound clips of the pickups, it'd make me a happy panda.

EDIT: Also, what pots do you use, and what's the rating of your cap, if you have one installed?

I'll try to get some clips later when I get home. I'm not sure the specs. It was a prewired pickguard from them that came with a guitar I got in a trade.
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Old 04-14-2009, 09:55 PM   #12
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My lil punchers did include a diagram, screws, and springs.
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Old 04-14-2009, 11:39 PM   #13
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I'll try to get some clips later when I get home. I'm not sure the specs. It was a prewired pickguard from them that came with a guitar I got in a trade.

Mmk. Thanks!

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My lil punchers did include a diagram, screws, and springs.

Mmk. I was gonna order some screws and springs from them separately, but I guess that'd be redundant, assuming they include the diagram, screws, and springs in all their sets.
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Sorry, couldn't get to it today. I'll try tomorrow. PM me a reminder.
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Sorry, couldn't get to it today. I'll try tomorrow. PM me a reminder.

PM'ed.
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Old 04-17-2009, 12:21 AM   #18
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Thanks very much! It's hard to discern the actual sound of the pickups, given they lossy compression and such and my poor computer speakers, but it was well enough to steer me away. I don't expect the GFS pickups to be tone heaven, but I'm hopeful they're better than the DragonFire Black Rails. I intend on getting a true crisp clear overwound single coil eventually. Something really bluesy to drop in as my secondary bridge pickup.
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Old 04-17-2009, 12:25 AM   #19
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What kind of sound are you looking for?

An alternative you could also consider are Iron Gear pickups... their quite reasonably priced.
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What kind of sound are you looking for?

An alternative you could also consider are Iron Gear pickups... their quite reasonably priced.

I've actually already considered them. But they're way across the pond! While I'm buying the GFS set now, that doesn't mean I'll never buy anything else again. So in the future I may get some. They looked well enough, and had good reviews. Their sound clips were alright but my sound system isn't that great, either.

EDIT: Overall I'm looking for something different. Something heavy. But something with lots of treble. I love treble. And I love mids. But not as much as treble. Bass can back the **** up outta muh face. Right now most of all I'm just looking for something hot I can drop in a single coil slot. I really really really really prefer the clarity of a single coil, but I'm forcing myself to expand my interests and playing style. I'm buying 500k push pull pots to go with the GFS set, along with a black HSS pickguard. I'm also buying a mini toggle switch, and eventually, a warm fat single coil pickup. The GFS set is going in the neck, middle, and position closest to the bridge, while the single coil pickup I eventually get will go in the secondary bridge position. I'm really partial to single coils, and I'm super partial to the bridge position. I think this layout will be the best possible. I dunno if I want to wire the switch to turn the single coil on, or wire the switch to choose between which pickup is selected at the first position on the 5way selector. I've really been thinking this through :P.

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