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Old 04-30-2009, 06:28 PM   #41
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To be honest, its uncommon for me to be completely satisfied with Grindcore.

But when Grind musicians do reach that point, it is a bestial force to behold.

Lately my grind fixes have still been Gridlink and Naked Whipper with some Anaal thrown in.

And Scurvy!

Can't believe I forgot Scurvy.
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Old 04-30-2009, 06:30 PM   #42
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I wasn't talking about your sig, I never read 'em anyways.

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Well then where did you get the idea that i'm an elitist? All I said was that grindcore should be taken to the hardcore forum if metalcore is too. They both have the same mix principle so why not?
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Old 04-30-2009, 06:31 PM   #43
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Well then where did you get the idea that i'm an elitist? All I said was that grindcore should be taken to the hardcore forum if metalcore is too. They both have the same mix principle so why not?


Principle and practice are very different.
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Old 04-30-2009, 06:31 PM   #44
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War metal doesn't exist. Most of it is just blackened thrash or something. Stop making up ridiculous genres.

it does exists, you clearly have never heard it since it is black/death, not thrash per se.
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Old 04-30-2009, 06:32 PM   #45
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Principle and practice are very different.


Metalcore sucks, Grindcore doesn't.

For gods sake don't bring metalcore here. Again i'm not complaining as I like grindcore but I was merely creating a motion for debate that's all.
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it does exists, you clearly have never heard it since it is black/death, not thrash per se.


No it doesn't exists i'm afraid.

Death/black is generally just called blackened death or if it's black/thrash, blackened thrash.

War metal? Might as well start calling things pirate metal or battle metal or goblin metal.

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Its been around for a long ass time.


So have Running Wild with 'pirate metal' but really?
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Old 04-30-2009, 06:40 PM   #47
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War Metal is not just Death/Black.
Really its more Black/Grind but is in no way sonically limited to that combination, its so much more then just a simple congregation of genres.

Blasphemy, Conqueror, early Impaled Nazarene etc have a sound you CANNOT call Death, Black, or Grind.

Which is why they have their own genre.

Seriously, how long have you been listening to Metal?

Because I've been hearing/using War Metal since 95...


Age card is irrelevant, I know guys who have been listening to metal from the beggining and still think Led Zeppelin and Guns n Roses are metal. I'm listening to Blasphemy now. It's just black metal with touches of grind/death. Again, terms may have been around for a long time but that doesn't neccesarily make them true.

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But their sound can easily be placed in their respective genres, Heavy and Power Metal.

War Metal bands, cannot.


Yep, you can slot it right into blackened (insert death, grind or black here).
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Old 04-30-2009, 06:42 PM   #48
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Grindcore is punk. Punk metalheads often like. Don't confuse it with metalcore.

Considering what the originators were influenced by, I'd consider grindcore to be a crossover genre. Yes, you could argue that the music is hardcore despite the extreme metal influence (also considering extreme metal itself is more hardcore in nature than "pure" metal,) but I myself don't consider music to be like a mathematical equation where one could say "3/4ths hardcore, 1/4th metal." If the music itself is closer to what is consider extreme metal, which most grind since the late '80s has been, I'd say it being here is just fine.
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If that's how terms started out as, they're true. War metal's old as VG said, did it start out being called War Metal?

Most likely. I really wouldn't know, but this whole arguement is pointless.

Insect Warfare was fucking awesome though
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not really. Again it's just blackened grind/death or thrash.


And Folk is just Metal with flutes.


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I don't notice a difference between powerviolence and grindcore. Is it even shorter and faster?


Powerviolence is spazzier and tends to reject metal influences for more thrash based riffs. Thrash the subgenre of hardcore, not thrash metal. It usually has more and more dramatic tempo changes then other grindcore. Spazz, Charles Bronson, Duke Nukem Forever, Man Is The Bastard et al.

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Metalcore sucks, Grindcore doesn't.


Metalcore only sucks if you listen to crappy metalcore. Converge and Shai Hulud are better then 99.9% of metal.

Re: War metal. War metal is black metal that draws on grindcore, crust punk, thrash metal and death metal and tends to focus on aggression over atmosphere. 'Brutal black metal' if you like.
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Old 04-30-2009, 06:45 PM   #52
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And Folk is just Metal with flutes.


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.. no, it's not. Folk metal is metal with folk influence. That's fact. 'War metal' is just black with death or thrash or grind influences.

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Most likely. I really wouldn't know, but this whole arguement is pointless.


Arguments aren't pointless. You get to share your views with other people and debate them. They become pointless when it becomes a case of 'NO U!'
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If that's how terms started out as, they're true. War metal's old as VG said, did it start out being called War Metal?

Most likely. I really wouldn't know, but this whole arguement is pointless.

Insect Warfare was fucking awesome though


Which is why I deleted all my pointless responses.

But anyways, back to Grind.
Like, Grinding Messiah's mom.

What really got me into Grind back in the day was Repulsion. Something about that constant bombastic unrelenting and unforgiving sound opened up grinds appeal to me.
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.. no, it's not. Folk metal is metal with folk influence. That's fact. 'War metal' is just black with death or thrash or grind influences.


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I got into grind listening to brutal death metal with grind influence slapped in there. Benighted do it well and I like Trap Them too. Napalm Death's new one is pretty damn awesome too, they certainly haven't lost it.

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Powerviolence is spazzier and tends to reject metal influences for more thrash based riffs. Thrash the subgenre of hardcore, not thrash metal. It usually has more and more dramatic tempo changes then other grindcore. Spazz, Charles Bronson, Duke Nukem Forever, Man Is The Bastard et al.


Never much been into Powerviolence, I've heard my fair share but can't really care much for it.

A few bands here and there catch my eye though, early Crom comes to mind.


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Metalcore only sucks if you listen to crappy metalcore. Converge and Shai Hulud are better then 99.9% of metal.


Same goes for True Metalcore.
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Grindcore is one of those genres I could only take in small doses, then one day it just clicked.

Anyways, while they don't play grindcore anymore, any love for old The Locust?



This EP is 7 minutes of amazing.

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Same goes for True Metalcore.


I believe the rule of thumb is 95% of everything sucks.
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Also apparently Napalm Death put on a pretty poor show.. is this right? These are from other sources. No fanboyism here, money is at stake.
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Grindcore is one of those genres I could only take in small doses, then one day it just clicked.

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This EP is 7 minutes of amazing.


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