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Old 05-20-2009, 08:10 PM   #41
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As much as I think punk is usually mediocre music, metal would be completely different today if it hadn't been influenced by punk. I don't know much about grindcore to be honest, but bands like Napalm Death and Pig Destroyer are obviously play in a very punk-like style of metal.
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Old 05-20-2009, 08:10 PM   #42
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I actually agree with you there, i'm just saying that there's undeniable influence - quite a bit of it.

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Old 05-20-2009, 08:18 PM   #43
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There's a prime example of grindcore that isn't metal...
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Old 05-20-2009, 08:22 PM   #44
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There's a prime example of grindcore that isn't metal...


Well, yeah, I suppose so. What sets that aside from just crust punk besides the fact that it's just thrashier?
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Old 05-20-2009, 08:34 PM   #45
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Well, yeah, I suppose so. What sets that aside from just crust punk besides the fact that it's just thrashier?


Grindcore = Hardcore x10

Please, dont make this thread turn out like the last one...
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Old 05-20-2009, 08:36 PM   #46
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Grind is generally must faster, I'm not well versed in punk though.

Sore Throat were very early Grindcore, and some of the best I've heard. One of the only grind bands I listen to on a regular basis.
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Old 05-20-2009, 09:46 PM   #47
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Grindcore = crust punk + hardcore punk.

Deathgrind and goregrind started when people realized death metal riffs would blend well with fast, grinding punk. Grindcore has always been rooted in anarchist DIY punk, everything else is just an outgrowth.
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Old 05-20-2009, 10:02 PM   #48
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Crustcore = crust punk + hardcore punk

Grindcore = crustcore + thrashcore and / or thrash metal in some cases (i.e. Hellhammer.)
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Old 05-20-2009, 11:20 PM   #49
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Job for a cowboy are an awesome grindcore band. No but seriously crustcore? Pretty sure crust punk is already core enough. Thrashcore is basically power violence but more metal and they don't growl.
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Old 05-20-2009, 11:25 PM   #50
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Job for a cowboy are an awesome grindcore band. No but seriously crustcore? Pretty sure crust punk is already core enough. Thrashcore is basically power violence but more metal and they don't growl.


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Old 05-21-2009, 07:52 AM   #53
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Job for a cowboy are an awesome grindcore band. No but seriously crustcore? Pretty sure crust punk is already core enough. Thrashcore is basically power violence but more metal and they don't growl.

Ha ha, that's pretty damn witty. kinda like brutal death metal. i mean, death metal's brutal enough! i crack myself up sometimes...
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Old 05-21-2009, 07:53 AM   #54
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Listen to real grind like Sore Throat and Magrudergrind, not that brutal GRAVITYROLLGRAVITYROLLDEATHREATHROLL crap. It's not grindcore.

Also, hardcore forum.
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Old 05-21-2009, 07:58 AM   #55
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so basically, you're saying that we shouldn't discuss any grind with significant metal influence, and as a result, we should do it all in the hardcore forum? bull****. while i despise most gore grind, claiming that all metal influenced grind is worthless is ridiculous.
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Old 05-21-2009, 07:59 AM   #56
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No, he's pointing out, quite rightly, that 95% of what is called "grind" today, is no where near the true meaning.
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meanings change. it's not true to the original punk-derived meaning, but it's true to what that evolved to mean.
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Old 05-21-2009, 08:04 AM   #58
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Grindcore, like hardcore, branched and formed its own genre out of punk. Thus, belongs in either the punk or hardcore forum, and as it is closer to hardcore, goes in said forum.

I personally think that all grind influenced metal is worthless, as it's all shit. It isn't grind, it's metal. It is death metal with grind influences, black metal with grind influences, whatever. Grindcore sounds like fast punk, and none of the bands that take their sound and add it to their death sound sound anything like punk. At all.
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Then it's not true.
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meanings change. it's not true to the original punk-derived meaning, but it's true to what that evolved to mean.

So what? Hardcore is hardcore punk. It stayed true to it's original punk-derived meaning. Then in the 90's it changed, and became its own genre.

There is such a huge difference between your deathgrind/goregrind, and my grindcore, and it's fucking disgusting you mix your shit in with grind.
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