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Old 12-26-2008, 11:56 PM   #1
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Pop Punk = Tenors only?

Seems to be like you need to be a tenor more or less to be in a successful pop punk band. Sure there are barotones out there stretching to hit the notes, but every song is essentially written for a tenor.

Any 'popular' bands that have barotones as vocalists? Are some of these vocalists in fact barotones with just extended ranges through practice?
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Old 12-27-2008, 12:27 AM   #2
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I'm not really a vocalist expert, but I think you are correct. Most pop punk vocalists are tenors, but there are some exceptions (Blake from Jawbreaker for instance). I personally think this sounds better compared to the raspy baritone vocals of most modern radio rock.

You might want to shoot Auals a PM, he really seems to know his stuff about vocals.

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Old 12-27-2008, 12:39 AM   #3
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I'm not sure how low you mean by baritone, but Mark Hoppus, at least from songs I can think of at the top ofmy head, has a lower voice for pop-punk standards


really tho pop-punk has singers with higher voices exclusively because it matches the song styles better. I mean, what pop-punk band would sound in place if they had someone with a voice like Serj Tankian? lol
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Old 12-27-2008, 01:05 AM   #4
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^ Serj Tankian doesn't have that deep of a voice.


I actually noticed that too (even I do it), and I'm not sure what the deal is. Maybe it's just because pop punk sounds the best in that range?
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Old 12-27-2008, 01:26 AM   #5
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It'd be funny to see the singer of Type O Negative try to do pop punk with his vocals XP
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Old 12-27-2008, 01:55 AM   #6
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I heard a song on the radio awhile back (I think my sister told me it was Sugarcult? I never really found out)

but the singer was singing very low.
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Old 12-27-2008, 02:02 AM   #7
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I thought Sugarcult was another one of those annoying whiny-voiced bands? I haven't heard them in years, I'm probably getting them mixed up with someone else.

Ooh I just thought of a good deep-voiced pop punk singer - Matt Skiba!

I'm gonna be completely honest though, I have no clue what the difference is between all those technical words for vocalists (baritone, tenor, alto, etc.)
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Old 12-27-2008, 02:35 AM   #8
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sugarcult is whiny vocals.

uim not totally sure. but listen to patrick stumps vocals.
"the patron saint of liars and fakes"- when they recorded that, it was higher than his vocal range.
"thnks fr th mmrs"- in the verse he's got a lower voice, but a little higher in the chorus.

and that's all I really know about this subject
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Old 12-27-2008, 03:02 AM   #9
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As important as this study is, I am definitely not going to listen to Fall Out Boy for it.
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Old 12-27-2008, 07:31 AM   #10
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say anything - max is a baritone im pretty sure
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Old 12-27-2008, 10:53 AM   #11
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well... i probably love them more than most people on this site... so i had to write that
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Old 12-27-2008, 02:36 PM   #12
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sugarcult is whiny vocals.


see, this is what I thought also. but I did not know who did the song so I took my sister's word for it. I don't remember the song at all though so I couldn't find it.
I just remember thinking (ironically for this thread) "wow, this is really low for a pop punk song...)


and here's a quick overview of vocal parts.

4 basic one's:

Bass -> Tenor -> Alto -> Soprano

Bass is the lower ranged guys while Tenor is the higher ranged guys.
Alto is the lower ranged girls while Soprano is the higher ranged girls.

The label Baritone means somewhere along the lines of "1st Bass" meaning higher than a Bass. This goes for all parts. 1st Tenor is higher than 2nd Tenor. 2nd Sopranoes are lower than 1st Sopranoes.

So Baritones have that middle guy range. as far as girls go, I only know the term "2nd Soprano." Not any other specific label.

So there's your vocal parts 101.
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Old 12-27-2008, 04:11 PM   #13
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We need auals in this thread, he could tell all :p

My musician friend says im probably a tenor. My brothers a bass. Its funny really, he seems to have better tone than me but has to sing most things an octave down.
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josh, I shouldn't have said just that. I haven't heard their new stuff, so his voice may be changed.
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Old 12-28-2008, 01:28 AM   #15
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Let's clear stuff up.

Patrick Stump =/= a tenor, He uses falsetto quite well.

TS probably means pop rock, cause most PP bands I listen to have baritone lead vocals, because my range goes from bass to baritone, and I have one hell of a falsetto aswell. (not to brag, I'm just lucky)
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Well I mean, are some of these pop punk bands 'nasally/whiny' (classically trained vocalists would call it so, I would have to agree...doesn't have to be a bad thing, i still think it sounds good) just because of the mere fact that lots of them are barotones stretching out to hit a song written for a tenor, basically all pop punk songs? I'm a barotone and i can hit all of these notes. sure, its a stretch a bit, and its not in my natural range, but its easily do able. you can really tell the difference between like a nasally vocalist and one that can sing a song really really easily.

some quick examples off the top of my head i guess would be like comparing something corporate saosin or cartel to like matchbox romance or hawk nelson

then theres people like claudio sanchez, anthony green, sonny moore, aaron marsh and countless others that are countertenors and really define their bands with their intense ranges. i dont know...just have yet to see a really stelar standout barotone in a pop punk band.

good call with Say Anything though. he is a barotone. im talking more along the lines of pop rock powerpop stuff i guess though

edit: yea i may mean pop rock. sorry not the greatest with labels

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Claudio Sanchez is definitely using falsetto aswell.

Pretty sure the guy in Say anything is too, listen to wow i can Get Sexual too.
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Let's clear stuff up.

Patrick Stump =/= a tenor, He uses falsetto quite well.

TS probably means pop rock, cause most PP bands I listen to have baritone lead vocals, because my range goes from bass to baritone, and I have one hell of a falsetto aswell. (not to brag, I'm just lucky)


I'm a baritone. I cannot hit some of his notes.

Therefore, he is a tenor.

same goes for all people, that's how I decide.
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So how could I figure out what my range is, or what the name for it is?
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I'm a baritone. I cannot hit some of his notes.

Therefore, he is a tenor.

same goes for all people, that's how I decide.



I can sing his stuff quite easily, not the same tone, but I can hit those notes. He uses falsetto on every high note he hits. it's not a bad thing, it's just his style.
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