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Old 06-10-2009, 12:17 AM   #1
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Ethereal Reality (GP5/GP4/MIDI) Progressive Metal

I have another one for you guys :] Though... as of right now it's just an intro really. I still would like to know what you guys think :]

I'd like to know how it transitions and stuff. Whether the different parts work together or not. How good is it mixed as well?

I'll C4C. And i'll update it as I get further in it :]

NOTE: LISTEN IN MIDI NOT RSE. USE HEADPHONES IF POSSIBLE. THINGS SOUND EXTREMELY CLUTTERED IN RSE IN SOME PLACES.

If you're going to listen in RSE, you might have to tweak the settings a bit.

EDIT: Added a verse-like section and the chorus. I would like to know what you think of the chorus... i'm new to those. And just what you think in general.
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Old 06-10-2009, 12:31 AM   #2
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I like it, especially the drums. The only thing I didn't like about it was in the last riff. The keys made it sound a little too video game-y for me. Other than that I'm excited to hear and learn the end result.
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Old 06-10-2009, 01:27 AM   #3
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I hear some Cynic in there. No doubt about it.
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Old 06-10-2009, 02:22 AM   #4
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The only thing I didn't like about it was in the last riff. The keys made it sound a little too video game-y for me


It could be pulled off very well in a real life situation with the right resources. There are some very good ideas there. Can't wait to hear the finished product.
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Old 06-11-2009, 02:44 PM   #5
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I've added more to the song! I would appreciate some critiques :] C4C of course!
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Old 06-11-2009, 05:45 PM   #6
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Thanks for the crit!

I never know how to crit stuff like this. I love listening to it, but I'm so far out of my element it's not even funny. Anyway, here we go!

Intro was incredibly cool, the bass line was awesome in both rhythm and note choice.

Intro 2, nice little drum bit leading into bar 8, but I honestly just wasn't feeling bars 8-11. From 12 on it definitely picked up though. Really dug the rhythm you were laying down in the 2 bars before the Tension section.

Tension, great keyboard part and great rhythm.

Verse, I wasn't feeling the tempo change, but on it's own I liked the part, that little tap fill on one of the guitars was very cool.

Bridge, didn't like the change, but again own it's own it was a great part.

Chorus, the first two bars had a really great rhythm, but after that I wasn't really into it. I think at this point the excessive arpeggiation, and the lack of any kind of real melody has started to make listening a little tedious.

Still, you had some really unique rhythms going on that were really fantastic, and although it was borderline on being a little cluttered pretty much all the parts gelled together really nicely.
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Old 06-11-2009, 06:31 PM   #7
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Chorus, the first two bars had a really great rhythm, but after that I wasn't really into it. I think at this point the excessive arpeggiation, and the lack of any kind of real melody has started to make listening a little tedious.

Still, you had some really unique rhythms going on that were really fantastic, and although it was borderline on being a little cluttered pretty much all the parts gelled together really nicely.

Melodies are not my strong point at all... I can't write a good melody to save my life. My melodies always end up being straight uninteresting 8th/16th notes... they're very boring

And thank you for the crit... the clutteredness i'm working on xD I'm trying to figure out a way to make everything "smoother" right now.
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Old 06-11-2009, 11:56 PM   #8
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Intro - 1 : the keyboards back and forth do sound epic, but i think you dont need to repeat them it think it would sound good if you just did it once, then went straight to the guitar part.

Intro - 2 : pretty much more of intro 1. it sounds cool, but it gets old after awhile imo.. do something fresh. and you should slowly unpalmmute the notes in 11. it'd sound like a good buildupish thing

Tension! : this part sounds cool with the keyboard parts, and the stuttery guitar in the background. i like it

Verse-ish : im not a fan of progressive, so this part just didnt do it for me...

Bridge : the key parts were nice in this part

Verse again : this sounds better with the keys over it. it gives some sort of a melody over the madness it seems

Chorus : this sounds like final fantasy :P i like it though.

sorry ,that was probably a horrible crit. i never listen to progressive metal, so alot of my biasness is thrown in there. dont be too offended :S i really like the key parts though
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Old 06-16-2009, 06:34 PM   #9
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Sorry, I took forever to get to one of yours...

You have some very interesting ideas, but sadly they get old a little too fast. Like you've said, melody isn't your strong suit, and your liking for straight 8ths or 16ths really takes it's toll on the listener.

The arpeggiations throughout the whole thing were probably the worst offender. They were fine to start off with, but got old very fast.

Rhythm guitar in the chorus felt perhaps a little too stilted.

I agree that the piano at the very start really doesn't need another repetition.

I wasn't a huge fan of 47 to 48 - the dissonance there I felt was too much, even for this song. Somehow, it didn't feel controlled, like the rest was.

Anyway, that's all me being harsh - it's easier than being nice...

But seriously, it was all fairly decent, it just suffered from... variety, I guess. Try to free the listener from static rhythms in the lead/melody - it can get very tiresome. Variety within sections would also be a good help. You have a very strong skeleton to work with, however - just keep polishing it.

Not sure if you want like a rating or anything, but meh. I'd give it probably 7 - 7.5/10.

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Old 06-17-2009, 10:47 PM   #10
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haha yeah, I realized it was stale too. And I was never too fond of the chorus; I just kind of put it there.

I'm making some changes according to what ya'll are saying (which I agree with!) to add some variety. I've pretty much discovered i'm more of a rhythm player than lead, so i'm tryin to hide the stale-ness while adding some easy melodies over the top of my (complex) rhythms.

Added my update (without a chorus this time) into the OP.
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Old 06-22-2009, 10:43 PM   #11
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I really like this a lot. I think the stuttering 16th patterns are good, but remember to add more variety to your rhythms later in the song. I

can't really say much more about it, but it really is a good start. I can't wait to hear the final product.
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Old 06-22-2009, 11:11 PM   #12
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I like this, alot. I love me some Cynic, and this reeks of Cynic.

The only part I didnt like was when the keys took the lead in the middle, they sounded like a video game and were annoying. They didnt quite seem to mesh with the rest of the song so far.
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Old 06-22-2009, 11:18 PM   #13
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Thank you both of you :]

I'm working on coming up with some good rhythms and stuff right now (as well as some leads for a good chorus!) and trying to spice it up. Did the arpeggiation get annoying towards the middle of the song or did I "use it wisely" now?

And Burning_Angel, where are you talking about? The 5/4 measures? If that's the part: I dunno, I really like that part... it allows a smooth transition into the verse.
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Old 06-22-2009, 11:44 PM   #14
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Yeah, it was measures 21-24 [I think], when the keys make it sound Video game esque...

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Old 06-24-2009, 04:13 PM   #15
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Intro is soooo goofy. I can't take this seriously, lol.
I take that back. This whole song is goofy.
26 is pretty cool. I'm liking the guitars and the bass.
Cool guitar outro, but ends in a strange place.

I didn't really like this tbh, because I'm tend to prefer melody over dissonance. It's well-written, but just not my thing.

I'll still give it 7.5/10 for originality.
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Old 06-25-2009, 01:42 PM   #16
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this all sounds really odd to me. the piano at the begining was cool, i dont see why there was a seperate track for half-step lower though. why not just transcribe down a 'fret' (not that there are frets on a piano but yeah).

woahhhh, that chord when it came in. that's, a little too much dissonance even for me.

the part at bar 7 didn't really flow but it worked. bar 11, i liked what the rhythm guitar did there. it didn't sound as sour as that chord did at first. the time signature changes all flow nicely aswell.

tension was good. didn't really flow, but this is prog after all (the only prog band i like it DT, so i'm not expert when i say this); i suppose to an extent that's good for the genre. synth solos aren't my cup of tea. the strings/keys fill out the sound alot, which was good.

it ends really suddenly, i presume this is a work in progress?
so far, 7/10 - could use work. but prog isn't something i listen to alot of, so take this crit' with a pinch of salt.
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Old 06-26-2009, 11:44 PM   #17
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Intro 1: I liked how the two piano parts played off each other. Though that open B note ringing was creating a dissonance that I feel takes away from the part

Intro 2: The doubling, string-skipping parts reek of Cynic. But I love Cynic, so that gets a thumbs up

Tension: I dont really like the drop off lead notes at the beginning, but that may just be a personal preference. I also feel the second piano riff (the last one before the tempo change) sounds too me like its not a smooth transition, like maybe you need to add a few notes at the beginning and change the time signature accordingly.

Verse/Tempo change: This again reeks of cynic, but I also like it I also like the atmospheric keyboards in the background, gives it a new, kinda gothy vibe.

Bridge: I really dont know what to say specifically here, but I think it was very well done; great transition from the verse.

Verse: I think the ending is nice, I like how it resolves and isnt dissonant. I also think the sweeps in the background are a nice touch.

Overall its nice, but I think it could use some more melody, to make it more like a "song" if that makes sense.

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Old 06-27-2009, 12:29 PM   #18
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Wow. That was goddamn intense. Like Symphony X with Dream Theater... And some ecstasy for good measure. Very interesting. Makes any attempt I make at prog looks futile. But since you have gp, you're welcome to take a look anyways. The only thing that comes anywhere close to such a genre is my song The Weathering. You can find it under a blog in my profile called SONGS C4C.
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Wow, those double note Cynic-esque riffs!

Bars 1-7 I wasn't a huge fan of. I was sick of the arpeggios after the first two keyboard parts which worked, but it should have stopped there.

Bars 7-10 were probably the best part of the beginning. Really reminded me of Age of Nemesis. The bass was a fair complement as well.

Bars 11-14 reminded me of Final Fantasy. That part isn't really necessary, but it sort of flows into the "Tension!" section.

Bars 15-16 The way the keyboards came in was cool, but I'm not sure I like the couple lead notes over it.

Bars 19-20 The consonance in the keyboard riff and the dissonance in the guitar riff really made this part not work for me at all. It sounded like one of the odd Circus Maximus riffs that just don't fit at all but they keep it in the song for some reason.

Bars 21-24 were quite good, I liked them a lot. It would have been nice, however, if you had varied up the rhythm on 23 and 24. Bar 25 was a creative way of ending it.

Bars 26-33 Those sweeps need to go away! Maybe even the keyboard too. I muted those two tracks listening over it and I think it sounds a lot more refined and mature.

Bars 34-37 again, great guitar riff. Loved that, not so much the keyboard arpeggios.

Bars 38-44, as with the previous verse, sounded better with the keys taken out. Solid riffs on the guitars.

Bars 45-46 Not sure what you were doing to end this... I didn't really like it. I'll just leave this assuming it is an incomplete idea.
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So, I never gave you the critique I owe you. Still want it?
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