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Old 08-12-2009, 04:51 PM   #41
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alot of what u pay for is name and who uses them suply and demand and all that but u do get some that u pay for quality! it depends how hard u look
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Old 08-12-2009, 04:53 PM   #42
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Alot of it is looks, like:

Quilted or Flamed Maple tops
Specialized Inlays
Body and/or Neck Bindings

these items all jack up the price..
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Old 08-12-2009, 04:53 PM   #43
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What makes guitars so expensive?

Quality
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Old 08-12-2009, 05:01 PM   #44
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If I want a great strat, I'll buy it for whatever price it is.
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Old 08-12-2009, 05:03 PM   #45
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...which equates almost entirely to the amount of labour required, the degree of skill required of that labour, and (most importantly) where that labour is carried out.

For example, if Squier made their guitars in England instead of China, using the same parts, same tooling, same processes, and the same quality of labour, they'd cost an awful lot more than they do now.
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Old 08-12-2009, 05:07 PM   #46
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Actually, it may not. Gibson Les Pauls and SG's are the most frequently broken guitars on earth and they cost about $2000 for a LP standard. Just go to the Rants page on Ed Roman's site. Several notable techies and players will testify the same thing. They need updated and aren't as good as other cheaper brands, its just the authenticity of the name that sells the guitars. Even Leslie West, who has been using Gibsons since the 70's wuit the brand because Dean offered to make him a better playing and more durable model at a fraction of the price.

Same goes with Fender. Ibanez and ESP, as well as others, make updated better playing and sounding guitars for less because they know how to use modern methods to produce better quality at a lower price. Also, they don't charge a few hundred dollars for their logo on your headstock

You can think whatever you want, but don't spout off bullshit. Ask Warren Haynes what guitar company he likes, or Joe Bonamassa, or Jeff Beck, or Eric Clapton, etc. Personally, I could go my whole life without playing another Ibanez or Dean and die a happy man.

Everyone has different tastes, but Ibanez and Dean and ESP are not superior guitars in any way compared to Fender or Gibson, they're just different. They all 'charge a few hundred dollars for the logo on their headstock'. Nobody sells their guitars at cost, and if you want to call the profit per guitar charging for the name, go ahead and do it, but be aware that every company does it, and not just guitar companies.

Don't pretend to understand their motives. These companies (should) know what to charge in order control a certain market share (which is a huge factor in pricing as well) and make their company profitable. They certainly know more about what they're doing than you do.
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Old 08-12-2009, 05:18 PM   #47
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Actually, it may not. Gibson Les Pauls and SG's are the most frequently broken guitars on earth and they cost about $2000 for a LP standard. Just go to the Rants page on Ed Roman's site. Several notable techies and players will testify the same thing. They need updated and aren't as good as other cheaper brands, its just the authenticity of the name that sells the guitars. Even Leslie West, who has been using Gibsons since the 70's wuit the brand because Dean offered to make him a better playing and more durable model at a fraction of the price.

Same goes with Fender. .Ibanez and ESP, as well as others, make updated better playing and sounding guitars for less because they know how to use modern methods to produce better quality at a lower price Also, they don't charge a few hundred dollars for their logo on your headstock

In my opinion, the fact that Fender and Gibson have so much advertising and being the begining guitarist's dream brand, as one of the biggest brands around, they can hike up their prices to almost double what it's really worth because people will buy it to have the 'official' big name brand, that way they know its legit. However, all the big names are usually old school brands that have outdated parts and designs that have been superbly out done by smaller brands, people just don't know it because they haven't tried them yet. An LTD EC-1000 Deluxe plays better, is more durable, and sounds/looks just as good and is half the price of a Gibson LP of similar stats.

Sure, woods, where its made, binding/no binding, pickups, hardware, all that goes into it, but you can build your own Gibson or Fender that is more comfortable to you, and possible sounds better, and has all the same features at a fraction of the price.

I love of how you have more **** in you than a sewer
* you must of never played a starcaster if you think a gibson breaks alot
* he signed because of marketing and he probably has a bigger contract
* good ibanez guitars and esp standards cost around the same as a sg standard
* prices have been going way down since january and febuary
* that is a opinion about the ec-1000
* and most people who can judge quality can see that a gibson gets more detail done to it than a mass produced one in a factory.

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Old 08-12-2009, 05:19 PM   #48
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Guitars aren't that expensive. A new computer, household appliance or large TV would cost similar amounts of money to a mid-range guitar. Classical virtuosos often have to be sponsored by the very rich to own a pro quality instrument.

Back in the day the pros used the big brands because their instruments were high quality and the imports were junk. Now you can get a lot of guitar for 2/300 and the gap has decreased. That perception of quality still lingers and people want to play the same guitar Hank Marvin/Hendrix/Blackmore/Malmsteen/that guy from McFly (cr@ppy English boyband) did - therefore the big brands create arbitrary variations of their instruments at different price points. Typical business practise.

I wouldn't pay more than 1200 for an electric though unless it was a handmade custom instrument - in which case you are paying for a skilled luthier's time and quality materials.
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Old 08-12-2009, 05:57 PM   #49
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You have not played Ibanez starter pack guitars that sound and play as good as 1000 dollar Fenders. This is B.S.
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Old 08-12-2009, 06:03 PM   #50
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Old 08-12-2009, 06:26 PM   #51
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Quality materials and craftsmanship. Starter packages have neither.
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Old 08-12-2009, 06:35 PM   #52
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Rickenbacker are expensive because of the damn beatles...:P
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Old 08-12-2009, 06:40 PM   #53
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It's almost like comparing furniture from Target to furniture from Thomasville. If you don't have much money, Target furniture will work for a little while and look ok until it falls apart. Thomasville solid wood furniture will last a lifetime. People who have the money don't mind paying for quality. Cheap stuff usually is crap. Sometimes things can be affordable and good quality but not often.
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Old 08-12-2009, 06:44 PM   #54
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It's almost like comparing furniture from Target to furniture from Thomasville. If you don't have much money, Target furniture will work for a little while and look ok until it falls apart. Thomasville solid wood furniture will last a lifetime. People who have the money don't mind paying for quality. Cheap stuff usually is crap. Sometimes things can be affordable and good quality but not often.


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Old 08-12-2009, 06:49 PM   #55
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I dont know who posted this link to a 15k prs, but if you cant see how and why its worth 15k even after reading the whole description, youre a moran.

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Paul-Re...047-i1442382.gc
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I dont know who posted this link to a 15k prs, but if you cant see how and why its worth 15k even after reading the whole description, youre a moran.

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Paul-Re...047-i1442382.gc


Ok, 1: who in their right mind would pay that much for a guitar? 2: Were you looking for this? 3: which is dumber, 10K for a martin dreadnought, or 15K for a PRS?
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Old 08-12-2009, 06:57 PM   #57
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The **** is made from the shells of the New Zealand sea snail for christs sake

and the post was in this thread, I just forgot to quote him and was on the last page.
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Old 08-12-2009, 06:59 PM   #58
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I can get those in a damn aquarium store. Not that hard to find.
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Old 08-12-2009, 07:04 PM   #59
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Some things are not made for the general public. Like a Rolex. My watch tells good time but it isn't a Rolex. If someone has the money for one, good for them. Don't begrudge people who have money the right to have the finer things in life. Poeple without money always seem to complain about people who have it. I don't have money so I'm not talking about me. Escorts get you from point a to point b. Ferraris get you there looking good.
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Old 08-12-2009, 07:07 PM   #60
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ITT: people who have never had more than 50 in their bank accounts at any time complain because nobody's giving them the guitars they want.

It's nothing to be ashamed of and everyone has to start somewhere, but seriously guys, come on. Some of you are being really obvious. If you can't see why someone would pay 15k+ for a one-off PRS like that then either you're too young and are having trouble even imagining what fifteen grand looks like, or you're going to be a student or similar and you're too naive about the world of money and what other people will or won't do with it. Fifteen thousand for a guitar like that is nothing compared to what some people will spend money on and even just limited to the world of electric guitars, there have been much more expensive guitars than that and probably very few of those will play, sound or last like that one does.

I don't like to be elitist but there is a really strong sense of 'poor vs rich' here and it's getting a bit annoying that evidently neither side has a clue about the other. People who have enough to buy 'expensive' guitars, good for you, but appreciate that not everyone starts off with a MIA instrument in their hands. People who don't have enough money for these guitars, sucks for you but it's stupid to complain.


Ultimately, a guitar is worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it. A lot of people would be willing to pay out the asking price for a guitar like that PRS. That's pretty much all there is to it.
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