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Old 08-08-2015, 06:20 PM   #1
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Question Non invasive kill switch

is there any way to add a kill switch to a 3 pickup firebird. (3 PUP les paul controls but instead of neck, all, bridge the firebird is neck & middle, all and Bridge and middle) ive seen the Killpot GT on lower end epiphones and the pot is pressed down to kill the signal, but that's on a 1 volume 1 tone guitar and probably just mutes the signal of the single volume pot
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Old 08-08-2015, 06:31 PM   #2
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You could replace one of the volume controls with a small push switch. It'll be easily reversible if you decide to change it back. As long as the switch is the last thing in the circuit before the output jack, it'll work independent of the volume controls or pickup selection.

Alternatively, you can make a box with a switch and two jacks that plugs directly into your guitar so it's within easy reach, and can be removed if necessary.
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Old 08-08-2015, 07:01 PM   #3
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Assuming that the selector switch is after the tone and volume pots, run the output from the selector switch to a push-pull pot and then to the output socket. The push-pull could be substituted for any of the existing pots. Hopfully it won't click when you switch it. Anyone know for sure?
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Old 08-08-2015, 07:55 PM   #4
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I recommend these , it's a volume knob / kill switch in one pot. A SPST or two volumes really help but this is the most easiest to work with to make music with.

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Old 08-09-2015, 09:51 AM   #5
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Honestly, you're going to find that a dedicated kill switch works FAR better than the dual function items. If you're considering a dual function kill switch, check it for clicks and pops when you activate it.
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Old 08-09-2015, 10:26 AM   #6
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What about using a kill switch cable like these? http://www.musiciansfriend.com/acce...nstrument-cable
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What about using a kill switch cable like these? http://www.musiciansfriend.com/acce...nstrument-cable


I'm assuming that the OP wants to use a kill switch for staccato playing, not simply to turn off the guitar between songs or playing sessions.
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Old 08-09-2015, 06:04 PM   #8
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^^^^ I was thinking in terms of a simple on-off switch. For the kind of thing you suggest, something more purpose-designed would definitely be the go.

As an on-off switch another option would be a passive true bypass stomp box. I built one and use it mostly for on-off between amp and guitar, though it will also work as an A/B selector (two-into-one or one-into-two) and loop bypass. It doesn't click, using a locally acquired switch button, 3PDT in this case to incorporate an indicator LED.
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I'm assuming that the OP wants to use a kill switch for staccato playing, not simply to turn off the guitar between songs or playing sessions.

thats right.
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Honestly, you're going to find that a dedicated kill switch works FAR better than the dual function items. If you're considering a dual function kill switch, check it for clicks and pops when you activate it.

There is no way im drilling a hole in my firebird
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I recommend these , it's a volume knob / kill switch in one pot. A SPST or two volumes really help but this is the most easiest to work with to make music with.

wouldnt i need 3
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wouldnt i need 3

No. The killpot is just a killswitch attached to a pot, with the killswitch and the pot wired separately; you wire the pot normally and you can wire the killswitch wherever you like. All you have to do is put the killswitch part after the pickup switch and you're golden.
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No. The killpot is just a killswitch attached to a pot, with the killswitch and the pot wired separately; you wire the pot normally and you can wire the killswitch wherever you like. All you have to do is put the killswitch part after the pickup switch and you're golden.

Oh so the pot is just a switch to activate the electronics of the kill switch which is placed elsewhere in the electronics (in like with the output jack??)
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Oh so the pot is just a switch to activate the electronics of the kill switch which is placed elsewhere in the electronics (in like with the output jack??)

Well the components are in the same place as such, just they have a separate set of contacts. This is what it looks like:

The top part is the pot, which works normally - you just wire the three lugs as you would with a normal pot - while the bottom part is the killswitch, with the two contacts on the flat black bit. One of those contacts should be connected to your hot lead, just before it goes to the output, and the other one to the ground. It's this simple: When you engage the killswitch (in this case by pushing down on the knob), a connection is made between the two, and the output signal all goes to ground, as is electricity's wont. Therefore, it doesn't go to the amp and your signal is momentarily silenced.
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There is no way im drilling a hole in my firebird


I have no such hesitation. Pfffft.

This is one of two guitars that are set up identically (the other is a $4K Gibson Axcess Custom):


The kill switch is that black dot mixed in with the quad of knobs. It's since been swapped out for a switch with a larger "knob".

The hole for the kill switch is where the old tone knob lived, and there's a master volume right next to the bridge and the bridge pickup. That master volume required a rout addition to the control cavity in the back. Those two switches behind the Floyd activate the Sustainer and choose the harmonic mode.

Drilling a hole? Geez. You should see the back of both of these guitars. There's the usual pickup selector switch cover. The control cavity cover. The Floyd spring cavity cover. The additional cover for the extra rout for the moved volume knob. And then there's the rectangular cover for the rout for the sustainer (behind that pair of switches). And then there's the battery box cover for the battery that powers the Sustainer.

Honestly, most folks never notice the extra button and pair of switches when the guitar is being used. They never notice the single coil DiMarzio Fast Track II sharing the neck pickup ring with the Sustainer driver, either. They're unaware that one of the pots is a Sustainer Intensity pot, or that another one has a Chandler Tone-X on a push-pull hidden in the control cavity. Or that the battery for that is in the control cavity as well.

But that guitar can do a LOT of things...
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I have no such hesitation. Pfffft.

This is one of two guitars that are set up identically (the other is a $4K Gibson Axcess Custom):


The kill switch is that black dot mixed in with the quad of knobs. It's since been swapped out for a switch with a larger "knob".

The hole for the kill switch is where the old tone knob lived, and there's a master volume right next to the bridge and the bridge pickup. That master volume required a rout addition to the control cavity in the back. Those two switches behind the Floyd activate the Sustainer and choose the harmonic mode.

Drilling a hole? Geez. You should see the back of both of these guitars. There's the usual pickup selector switch cover. The control cavity cover. The Floyd spring cavity cover. The additional cover for the extra rout for the moved volume knob. And then there's the rectangular cover for the rout for the sustainer (behind that pair of switches). And then there's the battery box cover for the battery that powers the Sustainer.

Honestly, most folks never notice the extra button and pair of switches when the guitar is being used. They never notice the single coil DiMarzio Fast Track II sharing the neck pickup ring with the Sustainer driver, either. They're unaware that one of the pots is a Sustainer Intensity pot, or that another one has a Chandler Tone-X on a push-pull hidden in the control cavity. Or that the battery for that is in the control cavity as well.

But that guitar can do a LOT of things...
that sustainiac + rail pickup is a good idea.
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