Draken

I was unaware of matt's poop pictures prior to my post, i was discussing about the general undertone, and pooping on people i must refer to you numerous times when doug and clara were in chat with davey and colin.

Colohue

Well we're glad that you can bring these concerns to us in an adult and honest manner. Nick, you know my name is top of the list.

People do talk about the golden age of Doug a lot, as he was an operator who imposed no rules whatsoever. Supposedly, that is the golden age, where a lack of rules led to potential new members being flamed until they left, porn being posted back and forth no matter the age groups of the people in the room and no end of trolling, provocation, racism and abuse going on.

At current, the only person who has been banned for more than as much as one day is Caveman. Matt agreed, when he was unbanned a week early from his last major one, that one more ban would result in a permanent removal. He was then banned twice within four days. Afterwards, he went on a rant against Nick, myself and Manda. Put simply, he was banned twice, then proceeded to say that the rules of the channel owner were complete crap and that he would do a better job. It seems easier, overall, for him to find another channel to call home, so that is what he will now be doing.

Yes, there are now rules being enforced. There were always rules, there just weren't people around the enforce them, but, in my opinion, the chat is flourishing. In the time that Matt has been banned previously, for example, people actually started answering questions of newcomers, and even welcoming them, whereas previously they would have been met with abuse and mockery simply for having a guitar related question or not knowing of the chat previously. I see no reason for this to continue.

Many people on the chat are young teens or even younger. The ban that was originally handed out to user Marko was for linking a picture of both feces and porn. It was, quite frankly, disturbing. If there had no no ops enforcing rules, nothing would have been done about it.

From what I see, the chat is growing, expanding and becoming a much less argumentative place under the direction that Manda is currently leading it. If you disagree then by all means say so. In fact, most of the regulars from three to six years ago have disagreed at some point, claiming that this 'golden age' was better.

Chat has rules now. It's part of Ultimate-Guitar, which is a welcoming, hospitable place due to the fact that people who break the rules are removed. If Caveman wants to rant about me in other channels and post out of context statements to make me, and other ops that he labels immature children (which, by this time, is all of them) then he may do so. It is no business of other channel to interfere with another, and, as such, it simply won't happen.

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divid3d

i've been using the chat a lot in the last few weeks and have been having a ball in there. it's felt like the old days, just with different people. i guess it depends what time of day you're in there though *shrugs*

the chat is still more relaxed than the forums, but things have tightened up a bit lately compared to the old days, which i think is for the best considering how much UG has grown and how many new users we have coming into the chat room. there's really no reason why people should be allowed to post gore/extremely graphic/pornographic imagery in there or get away with horrible behaviour... the chat is a part of UG and that sort of thing doesn't belong anywhere on this site, same with racism, blatant flaming, etc.


this stuff does depend a bit on which op(s) is/are active at the time (the same as how it depends which mods see rule-breaking posts on the forum - some mods will let certain things fly and some will not). for example i don't care if someone mocks me in a joking/playful manner, i will tolerate it and probably have a laugh. you can't just assume that all ops will tolerate that sort of thing though. all of us (even colohue ) don't mind a bit of fun/silliness from time to time in varying degrees, but if someone is being disrespectful or posting questionable links (without asking the ops if it would be ok first) then they shouldn't be surprised if they are punished for it. most bans in the chat last for between a couple of minutes and a day or two... they really aren't that big of a deal. to be banned for any longer you really have to do something serious or repeat offend many times.


i've not seen or heard of any examples of an op misusing their powers. some do uphold the rules more closely than others but that's always the case which such things. if you have any particular info/complaints then send me a PM and we can discuss it further

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There was UG chat before afternet

divid3d

i just copied that info from the previous thread. if you have more accurate info then please share

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Draken

I have another complaint. Would you like me to air my grievance out-loud or PM you manda?

divid3d

PM me please luke.

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LordSephiroth

The rules have always been enforced, but they were typically enforced selectively.

If you showed up and you had been around for a while, but broke the "rules", we typically let you get by and may have scolded you privately about it depending on what it was. There was also a certain level of mutual respect between ops and the chat regulars. The regulars, even though they could get away with more, typically didn't abuse that and the ops generally respected that and didn't come down on them hard unless they were repeatedly breaking the rules. You'd also see a lot of the ops breaking the "op rules" like kicking people, changing folks nicks, and things of that sort. It was all done in good humor and none of the regulars threw a pissy fit about it.

Folks that showed up and hadn't been around a while typically were watched more carefully by everyone and were more likely to get yelled at or banned for breaking the "rules". I guess the best way of putting it is that there was the "chat clique" that included ops and non-ops and members of the clique had a little more freedom than those that didn't.

In a lot of ways, chat is following the same path that the forums did. I remember when the forums were moderated very similar to how chat was. As communities grow this is a natural progression, rules typically start out loosely enforced and as the community grows, they become stricter and stricter. I've seen many communities go through that same progression, UG and chat inclusive. The advantage you have with chat is that you can break off your own channel and invite friends and post whatever you want.

All that being said, I don't think the rules in chat are all that strict. They certainly aren't anything different from what most other IRC channels would be. If an op is banning people frivolously then that is an administration problem and one of the SOps should deal with it. I don't know how it is now, but just because you were a mod didn't mean you were an op (although generally they were) and just because you weren't a mod didn't mean you couldn't be an op. It was generally administered separately from the forums.

I think in part it may have to do with the move to a larger network that isn't controlled by someone on UG. Generally, someone here would maintain the server and we wouldn't have to abide by server rules. I don't know how much of this is a result of being on a larger network, but generally the attitude of the channel has been a lot more relaxed when other people weren't peering in and/or in charge of the network.

Anyway, just my $.02. I haven't really been around that much to observe what you are talking about, but it doesn't surprise me. In fact I'm surprised that, if it is that way, that it took this long. The chat has been around for a long time (dhaven.lomag.net, remember that?), so the fact it made it this far is pretty incredible (again if what you are saying is true, I can't say I've observed it)



ha! Ops are always abusive, that's kinda the point isn't it

/msg operserv raw perserv svsnick beatallica bra

jasonmetal love

By the way, if you wanted to add the name of Lord's server in the Chat history, it was dhaven.lomag.net

I'm sure you already knew that though.

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egu010

jeez, im like banned from chat forever now? lol. Some people just get way to offended, or like the ban button a little to well. Erik

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Draken

yay the chat is full of spammers and there are no active ops again.

Colohue

Of the current list, nobody has this as an active time considering that only Nick is from Europe. Everybody else is from across the water.

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divid3d

sarah has been on heaps lately.

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SpacedOut

Pffft chat fags.

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stykerwolf

Sarah is in this side of the world too

/poke poke

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nightraven

my internet doesn't like chat :[

SpacedOut

Ok I may as well chime in with my two cents now since its my channel and all.

The chat has made a massive improvement in the past few months, sure there are many idle times but thats to be expected of IRC.

However one or two things I have to make clear:

1. Whilst the forum and chatrooms are unrelated if you choose to continuously troll the chatroom in a destructive or offensive manner your IP address will be forwarded to the sites administrators.

2. Being a CC. Mod. SMod etc does not guarantee you ops in the chat, if you aren't a reg in chat you won't be opped simple as. I've been hassled about this but my view stands, I don't want 6000 whiney bitchy emails from people moaning about oper abuse so only people i know will be op'd.

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Also on the subject of the chat rules:

There are none, apart from don't be a dick.

If you troll people aren't going to fall for it. Seriously I most likely have more fun than you, just by playing along to your stupid games. If you think you're funny you're not. If you think you're annoying, you're not. You aren't original and you won't be banned just for trolling.

You will be banned for going overboard. Theres a difference between two people having a laugh by being insulting and one person just trying to insult people.

Flaming and insults are allowed, but if you're trying to actually be offensive, get a grip and get over yourself its the internats fgs.

the ops reserve the right to do what they like to keep the place peaceful. If you're a tard suffer the consequences.

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Freddedonna

Java chat doesn't seem to be working

And I'm too lazy to install mIRC

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