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Old 10-02-2009, 05:26 PM   #21
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a bass would be singing actual bass. so you would need to hit those notes an octave lower if im not mistaken. so a bass guitar instead of a guitar. not a lot of people are true basses.



um, no. according to the OP a bass singer is from the C two octaves below Middle C (which is the 2nd string 1st fret, so two octaves below that would be the low C if you're in Drop C tuning) to middle C.


I don't think it's physically possible to sing the low E on a bass guitar.
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Old 10-02-2009, 05:28 PM   #22
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Hi, last week i had a cold... and today i tried to do a couple of scales and test out my range today.

I can now hit a low D (like drop d tuning on bottom string), but can only just hit the top F above middle C.

This is quite strange because before I could hit a top A in full head voice, and only a bottom C.


What has happened???
I'd suggest recording how you are testing your voice and, we can see what you're doing wrong/what your range actually is.

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um, no. according to the OP a bass singer is from the C two octaves below Middle C (which is the 2nd string 1st fret, so two octaves below that would be the low C if you're in Drop C tuning) to middle C.


I don't think it's physically possible to sing the low E on a bass guitar.
Yeah, E1 is pretty ****ing low. The standard range for a bass is E2 to E4. Any lower than B2 is just ridiculous.
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Old 10-02-2009, 10:11 PM   #23
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a bass would be singing actual bass. so you would need to hit those notes an octave lower if im not mistaken. so a bass guitar instead of a guitar. not a lot of people are true basses.


A bass guitar reaches into the contrabass range. Typical bass range is considered E2 - E4.
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Old 10-03-2009, 08:16 AM   #24
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I'd suggest recording how you are testing your voice and, we can see what you're doing wrong/what your range actually is.

Yeah, E1 is pretty ****ing low. The standard range for a bass is E2 to E4. Any lower than B2 is just ridiculous.


Ok, so shall i just record how i test my voice (like scales up and down)??

Because when i stretch down to lower notes, i can't hit my higher ones (like A)... and when i stretch to hit my higher notes, i can't my lower notes (like the D)!
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Old 10-03-2009, 08:20 AM   #25
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I've got A2 to C5 without falsetto, maybe down to a low G or even a low F# but nothing below the low A sounds useable. Would that be more tenor or high baritone?
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I've got A2 to C5 without falsetto, maybe down to a low G or even a low F# but nothing below the low A sounds useable. Would that be more tenor or high baritone?
Dude you're a tenor. C5 is pretty high. You can hit notes lower than most tenors, though.

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Ok, so shall i just record how i test my voice (like scales up and down)??

Because when i stretch down to lower notes, i can't hit my higher ones (like A)... and when i stretch to hit my higher notes, i can't my lower notes (like the D)!
Yeah I guess. I think, to be able to help you the best I need to hear what you're doing.
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Old 10-03-2009, 05:48 PM   #27
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um, no. according to the OP a bass singer is from the C two octaves below Middle C (which is the 2nd string 1st fret, so two octaves below that would be the low C if you're in Drop C tuning) to middle C.


I don't think it's physically possible to sing the low E on a bass guitar.

2 things:

yes i was wrong about the bass range.

and actually, no. it is possible just very rare. there is a guy who can go lower than the human ear can hear actually.

but anyways, it just seems strange. if im a bass, why am i able to sing tenor parts? granted, i did do some hard work to make those notes sound nice. but ive been able to hit the notes all along they just didnt sound as full. am i just lucky?
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Old 10-03-2009, 07:43 PM   #28
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You might be unconsciously transposing the higher parts an octave down. Pick a note in the middle of your range, find it on your guitar, and then sing an ascending scale. If you're transposing like that you'll notice pretty quickly while singing scales.
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Old 10-03-2009, 08:39 PM   #29
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um, no. according to the OP a bass singer is from the C two octaves below Middle C (which is the 2nd string 1st fret, so two octaves below that would be the low C if you're in Drop C tuning) to middle C.


I don't think it's physically possible to sing the low E on a bass guitar.

Tim Storms is able to get his voice so low the human ear can't detect it.
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Old 10-04-2009, 01:35 AM   #30
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You might be unconsciously transposing the higher parts an octave down. Pick a note in the middle of your range, find it on your guitar, and then sing an ascending scale. If you're transposing like that you'll notice pretty quickly while singing scales.

ive wondered that but ive checked many times and im not. i dont think im a bass. im pretty sure people can go beyond their normal range. i think im probably actually a baritone that can go a bit lower and higher than the normal range. the difference between where bariton starts and bass starts isnt that far apart, just three notes. the other reason i dont think im a bass is because i dont think my voice sounds too much like a true bass. i have kind of a deep voice, but real basses that ive heard have lower voices and can go lower than i.

so im thinking, if those basses can go lower than me, which is supposed to be the start of bass, then i dont see why i cant be a higher vocal class that can just go lower than the start of the range. again like i said, i doubt anyone is really any one vocal classification. they are really just guidelines. i dunno, i just think for me baritone makes more sense.
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Old 10-04-2009, 11:23 AM   #31
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Tim Storms is able to get his voice so low the human ear can't detect it.


So, if he can't hear it, how does he know if it is in tune? How does he know he's even singing it at all? What... he can feel it? Sounds suspicious to me.

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Tim Storms is able to get his voice so low the human ear can't detect it.


I do this all the time. In fact, I'm doing it right now!
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So, if he can't hear it, how does he know if it is in tune? How does he know he's even singing it at all? What... he can feel it? Sounds suspicious to me.

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Psychoacoustics will allow our ear to fill in the missing fundamentals, when we hear all the overtones.

If that fails, he can use an oscilloscope to analyze the sound and find out the pitch.
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Old 10-04-2009, 09:26 PM   #34
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So, if he can't hear it, how does he know if it is in tune? How does he know he's even singing it at all? What... he can feel it? Sounds suspicious to me.

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It wasn't really a matter of singing, it was a world record attempt for the lowest sound produced by a human (which he does hold). They used computers to find the pitch.

I think he holds the record for largest male vocal range too.
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Okay, I checked it out. Weird, anyways, but impressive.

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Old 10-04-2009, 11:25 PM   #36
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I'm a solid contralto, though I get a little thin in the range of Eb to F above high C.
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Taking "Middle C" as 3rd fret A string i can go G bellow middle C to G two octaves above middle C (3rd fret high e string).

Sound like a baritone? The lower register of that range is definitely more comfortable for me but i can hit those higher notes in full chest voice
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Old 10-05-2009, 03:05 AM   #38
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Alright, well this is a bit tricky. My voice tends to change range depending on the song. :/
On some songs I can hit a low C, sometimes low B and that's it. On the same songs, I won't be able to get past a middle C, sometimes not even the B. Now thats obviously a bass.
However, on other songs I can hit a low E, but get up to an Ab (The one ABOVE middle C). That's like a baritone tenor. :/
Most frequently though I'm a bass or baritone-bass. But there are the special exceptions. Any idea as to why?
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@darkness - yes, baritone.

@joel - Are you sure you're not singing an octave lower when you go up to the Ab? Could you post a recording?

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Soprano - middle C to two octaves above middle C.
Mezzo-Soprano - G below middle C to high G
Alto - low C to high C (one octave above and one octave below middle C)
Tenor - low C to high C - same as alto

Baritone - low G to G above middle C
Bass - deep C (two octaves below middle C) to middle C

I could be wrong, but I'm almost certain that Alto and Tenor are not in the same range.

And I'm pretty sure that these voices aren't all c-c, g-g, etc.

Yeah, a book I have says:

Soprano C4 - G5
Alto G4 - C5
Tenor C3 - G4
Bass F2 - E4

(Unless I've got the numbers wrong... Cause the book doesn't actually say C4-G5 It's just got the range notated on the staff.)
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