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Old 12-27-2009, 07:06 PM   #1
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Pot Official Drug Thread v7.0: Marijuana strikes back!

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Old 12-27-2009, 07:07 PM   #2
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Detection Periods:


The following chart from LabCorp gives approximate detection periods for each substance by test type. The ranges depend on amount and frequency of use, metabolic rate, body mass, age, overall health, and urine pH. For ease of use, the detection times of metabolites have been incorporated into each parent drug. For example, heroin and cocaine can only be detected for a few hours after use, but their metabolites can be detected for several days in urine. In this type of situation, we will report the (longer) detection times of the metabolites.

NOTE 1: Oral fluid or saliva testing results for the most part mimic that of blood. The only exceptions are THC and benzodiazepines. Oral fluid will likely detect THC from ingestion up to a maximum period of 18–24 hours. Low saliva:plasma ratio continues to cause difficulty in oral fluid detection of benzodiazepines.

NOTE 2: Urine cannot detect current drug use. It takes approximately 6–8 hours or more post-consumption for drug to be metabolized and excreted in urine. Similarly, hair requires two weeks, and sweat, seven days.


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Info on Datura and other Anti-cholinergics

Anti-Cholinergics

Part 1 - What is an anti-cholinergic?
An anti-cholinergic drug is a drug that inhibits the neurotransmitter acetylcholine inside your brain. Basically, it attaches to where acetylcholine usually attaches to, and keeps acetylcholine from attaching to it. The receptor that it attaches to is the muscanaric receptor found mostly in the autonomic nervous system of your brain. In a sense, these drugs temporarily impair your autonomic nervous system.

Part 2 - What contains these anti-cholinergics?
Anti-Cholinergic effects are shared by many drugs.

The most notorious of these is the plant Datura (nightshade, jimson weed, devils thorns, hells trumpet, etc.). Datura contains two active chemicals in it, atropine and scopalamine. The problem with Datura is, the amount of the active ingredients in any part of the plant is unpredictable. Two neighboring plants may have a different concentration of those two ingredients in their leaves, making any attempts at guessing a dose unpredictable and often times fatal.

A very common drug that has anti-cholinergic effects is Diphenhydramine, the main ingredient in drugs ranging from benadryl, to Unisom, to Dramamine (in the form of Dimenhydrinate, which is 1 part Diphenhydramine and 1 part crystal salt filler). As doses of Diphenhydramine can be predicted, it is a much more stable drug to experiment with although it's not very recommended.

Part 3 - Dosage
The general dosage of anti-cholinergics seems to vary on an individual level, and even on a setting level. A common dose would be from 250mg of Diphenhydramine to 400mg. A strong dose would be 400mg to 600mg. Over 600mg is a very heavy dose, which should only be attempted by the experienced with a capable trip sitter.

Part 4 - Delirium?
The difference between a hallucinogen and a deliriant is that a deliriant puts the user into a state of delirium. A person on a hallucinogenic drug will be able to recognize that they are under the influence, and will be able to distinguish hallucinations from reality. A state of delirium is completely different though. Haunted by hallucinations that take on such a complex appearance that the hallucination will be accepted as reality. As you can see this could be very dangerous, as the person usually loses all short term memory and can start harming themselves or others due to their state.

Part 5 - The experience
The experience is described as positive by very few people, especially in high doses. The experiences tend to be overall depressing, exhausting, and often times leave a hangover that lasts a day to a few, and their has been research that has pointed out that anti-cholinergic abuse may lead to HPPD. After ingestion of the dose, the effects will usually come on within an hour, depending on the metabolism of the individual user, as well as what they had eaten and how recently. The first effects will be a relaxation of muscles to the point that they are very difficult to move, and feel heavy. Normally wet spots like your mouth and nose all dry out, which causes you to feel heavily dehydrated, but water just flows right through the body, not quenching the thirst. Communication becomes incredibly difficult, and audible hallucinations start kicking in, short bursts of voices exploding in your head, getting harder and harder to distinguish from reality. Then visual hallucinations start. By this point the user will be incredibly tired, a side effect of the first generation anti-histamines like benadryl used to trip. The visual hallucinations progress from shaking objects to full on hallucinations, indistinguishable from reality. Spiders, insects, old friends, cigarettes, just a few of the very common hallucinations that occur. Then depending on the dose, it could possibly get to the point where you can't tell if your eyes are open or closed because both worlds are so real.

Part 6 - Dangers
An overdose is incredibly dangerous. The autonomic nervous system controls many necessary body functions such as heart beat, and if it is impaired enough the heart will stop. Acetylcholine is also the neurotransmitter that causes muscles to tighten, and if it is fully suppressed than all the muscles in the body will stop working, including the heart and diaphragm. Another very real danger is that of HPPD. Some people get "flashbacks" weeks after use, some people may even acquire them permanently. The flashbacks caused by diphenhydramine seem to be "static" that covers the field of view of the sufferer, as well as objects that may start shaking at random, lines that may bend or curve, lightening like flashes on objects, as well as some others. While most of these cease after a few days off of the drug, prolonged exposure can cause these effects to stay around longer.

Part 7 - Example experience
This is an experience SWIM is going to share about taking a large dose, 600mg, of diphenhydramine at a friend's party. SWIM took the dose at about 12 am, the start of the party. SWIM noticed his muscles starting to weaken, and it was getting harder and harder to respond to people when talked to. SWIM found that all he wanted to do was sit on a couch and relax. SWIM then went outside for a cigarette, and found that he was getting more and more tired every moment. SWIM decided to go upstairs and lie down by himself in a room. SWIM listened to music for a while, and then noticed that he couldn't tell if his eyes were open anymore. SWIM could not tell the difference between the real world and the world that existed when he closed his eyes. For SWIM, time and location lost all meaning, he was everywhere and nowhere. SWIM finally fell asleep from exhaustion about 2 hours after ingesting the pills. SWIM woke up at 3 in the morning with the urge to urinate, and started feeling around trying to get up. SWIM had forgotten that he was under the effects of drugs, as all the effects had seemed to have worn off. SWIM pushed his hand against the bed to try to get up, only to be alarmed by a moan. SWIM had been using a friend's face to push against. SWIM's friend was not happy and expressed this through her moans, so SWIM apologized and started walking down the stairs. This is where SWIM's story gets shaky, as part of it is the account of others, as all of SWIM's actions seemed normal to him. SWIM had been walking down the stairs for over 5 minutes, because he saw the stairs as a continuous staircase. He got down to the bottom and basically walked in place. From swim's recollection, he decided that the stairs down there led to the basement, turned, and walked into the ******* as if nothing was wrong. In SWIM's recollection, he opened the front door for no apparent reason, saw a bright jungle, but spiders and other insects everywhere and decided that it wasn't a good day to go outside. SWIM's friends recalled that he had not actually opened the front door at that moment, but rather stared at it for a few seconds. SWIM walked to the bathroom, and saw that it was busy. SWIM noticed that the friend whom he had woken up with upstairs earlier was now downstairs watching her friend who was puking in the bathroom. Both friends had actually been standing on the stairs watching SWIM as he conversed with imaginary people outside of the empty bathroom. SWIM was told by his hallucinations that the bathroom would be in use for a while, so SWIM went back to the front door. SWIM opened the door, and completely forgetting about the past experience, noticed it was completely normal for 3 am. He made his way down to the nearest tree and unzipped. As he was urinating, he noticed that his best friend was sitting cross legged next to him, just staring at his crotch. SWIM panicked, as this was possibly the most awkward moment of SWIM's life. That's when SWIM noticed that everyone who was at the part was sitting cross legged around him, staring at his crotch. SWIM continued urinating, and then noticed he was urinating straight onto a kid he had never seen before. SWIM continued urinating, as he did not know what else to do. As SWIM finished up, he decided to walk up to the kid he urinated on and apologize, but the kid turned into a rock. SWIM realized he was tripping and went upstairs to sleep.
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Old 12-27-2009, 07:11 PM   #3
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Marijuana FAQ

How can you take it?

You can take marijuana by smoking it, vaporizing it, or eating it.

How do you roll?

Joint:
Blunt:

What is it in marijuana that gets you high?


There are these chemicals in marijuana called cannabinoids. A few of them are: delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), cannabidiol (CBD), cannabinol (CBN), and cannabigerol (CBG). There are more but these are the most prevalent. These cannabinoids are what get you high. They are found in the “crystals” , or trichomes, on the female marijuana plant. Their purpose is to catch pollen so the female plant can reproduce (produce seeds).

So how do these “cannabinoids” get me high?

Well, inside your nervous system, you have these things called cannabinoid receptors. These receptors are a natural binding point for cannabinoids. There are two main cannabinoid receptors: CB-1 and CB-2. What happens is when you smoke marijuana, the cannabinoids go from smoke in your lungs, through the lining, to your bloodstream, to your heart, and find their way to your brain. In there, they bind to those receptors. When you eat it, it gets digested and goes through your intestines, liver, and bloodstream. It takes longer but it the high will last longer.

Different types of marijuana will give you a different high. THC tends to bind to the CB-1 receptor and CBD tends to bind more to the CB-2 receptor. The different cannabinoids give different effects. CBD gives you a more “stoned, couch-locked” high and THC gives a more “head high”. THC is more prevalent in cannabis sativa while CBD is more prevalent in cannabis indica.

Is marijuana addictive?


Marijuana is not physically addictive - as in there are no chemicals in it that are addictive. Marijuana use can be habit-forming and is therefore psychologically addictive.

What are the health effects?

Well, smoking any plant isn’t good for you. Marijuana smoke does contain more tar than a cigarette. The thing is, marijuana is getting more potent which means you smoke less to get high. Marijuana smokers tend to smoke a lot less than the average cigarette smoker. So far, marijuana hasn’t directly caused lung cancer.

When you get high, marijuana acts on the hippocampus in your brain. The hippocampus is responsible for forming new memories. So when you smoke marijuana and get high, it will make it harder to form new memories. Marijuana doesn’t kill your brain cells or permanently damage your memory, but long-term use can lead to some memory problems.

Marijuana doesn’t make you sterile.

I can’t think of any other myths or mysteries surrounding marijuana use at the moment. Ask any other questions about health effects.

What are it's medicinal uses?

Anxiety: Marijuana has been reported to help relieve effects from anxiety disorder.
Asthma: THC is a bronchial dilator which means it opens up your lungs.
Crohn’s: Marijuana use has been reported to help appetite, suppress nausea, and relieve pain.
Glaucoma: Marijuana use will relieve pressure in the eyes.
HIV/AIDS wasting: Marijuana helps relieve nausea and boost appetite.
Chronic pain: Marijuana has been recognized by states with medical marijuana to be helpful for pain relief.

What are marijuana's general prices/general info on strains and types?

Dirt: 1.5g n/a, 1/8th 3.5g $5, 7g $10-15. Generally very cheap unwanted.
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g...pg?t=1261968287

Schwag: 1.5g $5, 1/8th 3.5 $10, 7g $20, 14g $35-40, Ounce 28g $60-80.
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g...pg?t=1261968340

Regs/Mids: Blunt 1.5g $10, 1/8th 3.5g $20-25, ¼ 7g $40-45, ½ 14g $50-75, Ounce 28g $100-125, QP 112g $350-500.
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g...pg?t=1261968346
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g...pg?t=1261968353

Chronic/beasters/dank: 1g $20, 3.5g $50, 7g $90, 14g $150, 28g $250.
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g...pg?t=1261968368
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g...pg?t=1261968998

Dank with a name to it (White Widow, Northern Lights, Green Crack, etc.) tends to cost $5-10 more than no-name dank.

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Here are some recipes to some weedy treats!

Cannabis Tea (Multiply ingredients as needed):

Ingredients:
1 gram of marijuana (finely ground)
1 cup of whole milk (or egg nog, depending on whether or not 'tis the season)
cheesecloth

Optional:
Tea of choice and water
chocolate milk mix

Preparation:
Bring the milk to a low simmer, stir in weed. Allow to simmer lightly for 20 minutes without getting so hot as to vaporize the weed. filter out weed using the cheesecloth. Optional: stir in chocolate milk mix, or add hot water, and steep tea.



Firecrackers (Multiply ingredients as needed):

Ingredients:
2 Crackers
nutella, or peanut butter with high fat content
1-1.5g of marijuana (finely ground)
Tin foil

Preparation:
Preheat oven to 320 degrees F. Liberally spread nutella or PB over both crackers. Sprinkle the weed on top of the crackers, allowing as much to come in contact with the spread as possible. put crackers together, and wrap in tin foil.
Bake (lolpun) at 320F for 20-22 minutes. (do not microwave)

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Oh well...

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I didn't notice until I clicked reply and it was like, nope it's closed bizznatch!

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Hooray for wanting to try drugs but can't because none of your friends are into that kind of thing.

Though the Marijuana chart may come in handy, thanks for that.

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I'm sorry man. I'd still read what you took the time to write up.
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So for anyone whose gotten their wisdom teeth out, how long did you wait to smoke any marijuana? The sheet I was given says about 5-7 days but then I've read various things online that say more like 2-3 weeks.
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