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Old 03-24-2010, 07:14 PM   #1
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Modal chord progression (Lydian)

Ok so i have this progression using the lydian diotonic chord sequence (major, dominant, minor, diminished, major, minor, minor)

Anyway i have a progression in C lydian which goes like this: Emin6, Cmaj, Amaj, Gmaj, Emin6 well i was wondering if i could switch the Gmaj for a G7b5 and then finish with the Cmaj and it still be a C lydian progression. The reason i'm asking this is because when i try and resolve the progression to C from the Gmaj or the D7 it doesn't sound right and it wants to pul to Emin.

I just realized that progression is in Emin with a borrowed Major iv chord..
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Old 03-24-2010, 07:35 PM   #2
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Your progression wouldn't be in C lydian either way. The A chord has a C♯ in it, which is non-diatonic, and none of your chords even have the F♯ which gives C lydian its sound. Sure, you can put in a G7♭5, which will make the resolution to C nice, but it won't make it lydian.

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Old 03-24-2010, 09:06 PM   #3
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For a lydian sound try a static maj7#11 chord or a I - II vamp.
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Old 03-24-2010, 09:34 PM   #4
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You're progression wouldn't be in C lydian either way. The A chord has a C♯ in it, which is non-diatonic, and none of you're chords even have the F♯ which gives C lydian its sound. Sure, you can put in a G7♭5, which will make the resolution to C nice, but it won't make it lydian.


this. so very this.

although both "you're"s should be "your".
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this. so very this.

although both "you're"s should be "your".


Yes they should be. I've been doing too much thinking today.
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Old 03-24-2010, 10:51 PM   #6
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Yes they should be. I've been doing too much thinking today.


oh man, do i know that feeling. i called a G to an E a perfect 11th.
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Old 03-25-2010, 08:38 AM   #7
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For a lydian sound try a static maj7#11 chord or a I - II vamp.


Vamps help to creat modal sounds...but they are not the only way.

TS, why is it so important that you stick to the "rules"? If it sounds good, do it!
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Old 03-25-2010, 09:36 AM   #8
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Ok so i have this progression using the lydian diotonic chord sequence (major, dominant, minor, diminished, major, minor, minor)

Anyway i have a progression in C lydian which goes like this: Emin6, Cmaj, Amaj, Gmaj, Emin6 well i was wondering if i could switch the Gmaj for a G7b5 and then finish with the Cmaj and it still be a C lydian progression. The reason i'm asking this is because when i try and resolve the progression to C from the Gmaj or the D7 it doesn't sound right and it wants to pul to Emin.

I just realized that progression is in Emin with a borrowed Major iv chord..


You don't have a progression in C Lydian.

What you have done, is rearrange the order of the Harmonized scale, but the chords aren't even diatonic.

C Lydian is

C D E F# G A B C

Your chord starts on an Em6, that has a C# as the 6 not a C. For starters, Id start on a C to establish the tonality of C, it doesnt even have to be a Cmaj7#11. I'd also do an Em9 when using the Em...You aren't even focusing on the parts that would make it sound modal. You aren't even using a D Major.

Try this - Cmaj7#11, D (any D, maj 7, maj 9 etc, I like a D/F# a lot), Em9, G maj7, back to C Maj7#11.

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Old 03-25-2010, 04:53 PM   #9
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Vamps help to creat modal sounds...but they are not the only way.

TS, why is it so important that you stick to the "rules"? If it sounds good, do it!


Definitely do what sounds good, but don't go calling it C lydian when its nowhere near C lydian.

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You don't have a progression in C Lydian.

What you have done, is rearrange the order of the Harmonized scale, but the chords aren't even diatonic.

C Lydian is

C D E F# G A B C

Your chord starts on an Em6, that has a C# as the 6 not a C. For starters, Id start on a C to establish the tonality of C, it doesnt even have to be a Cmaj7#11. I'd also do an Em9 when using the Em...You aren't even focusing on the parts that would make it sound modal. You aren't even using a D Major.

Try this - Cmaj7#11, D (any D, maj 7, maj 9 etc, I like a D/F# a lot), Em9, G maj7, back to C Maj7#11.

Best,

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I agree with everything except the use of the Gmaj7. It is a good idea to play the F♯ in almost every chord, since that gives the lydian flavour, but since G is the tonic of the relative major, it steals the tonality as soon as you play it.
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I agree with everything except the use of the Gmaj7. It is a good idea to play the F♯ in almost every chord, since that gives the lydian flavour, but since G is the tonic of the relative major, it steals the tonality as soon as you play it.


mm...not necessarily. it can be used, but heed isaac's warning - it is VERY easy for it to steal the tonality. use it with care.

however, perhaps a better solution altogether would be to play Bm instead of Gmaj7. same notes without the G.
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Old 03-26-2010, 12:48 AM   #11
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I think you have enough Lydian specific chords to get away with it, especially since the G is the V of C and even without a b7 it can still pull without a leading tone and effectively "Close It" once the #11 is reintroduced. Now if it were simply a C major, I'd see more of an issue, but the prevalence of the #4 gives enough toal center for it over a C Lydian progression.

I also agree with the Bm7 in place of the Gmj7 as an option, but Bm is just as well with the #4 making an appearance as the 5th in the triad.

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I'd go with griffin's advice as it's 100% clear.

Sean's suggestion is a nice one to experiment with, although I'd work with that if you have more experience both aurally and theoretically, so you don't end up implying a minor/Major key.
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