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Old 05-02-2010, 12:01 AM   #1
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Salsa's baritone build extravaganza!

Hey guys! I've been planning for months and the times is now at hand for my first build.
Specs:
xiphos body (thanks for the template Matt)
28" baritone scale
24 frets plus a zero fret
five piece neck-thru (wenge/sapelle/wenge/sapelle/wenge)
sapelle mahogany body wings
ebony fretboard
string-thru tune-o-matic bridge
locking GFS tuners
EMG 85/60 combo (I might get the 85x and 60x, not sure yet)
1 volume, 1 3-way switch
black hardware
anything else I forgot.

Now pics:

this is the birdseye maple that would have been in the neck-thru. more on the wood choices later. 30 bucks

wenge - 44 bucks

the ebony. I didn't realize at the lumberyard that it had a huge crack in it though. 40 bucks

It's still usable for at least one fretboard, so I'm not going to cry or anything.

The sapelle had really deep sawmarks that I couldn't hand-sand out, but you can still see the nice color. This piece is ****ing HUGE. It's over 6 feet long, 10" wide and 2" thick. 70 bucks.

Group photo, plus a necessary UG shot.

The wood with my MDF template.
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Old 05-02-2010, 12:04 AM   #2
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I had originally planned to use just limba and wenge, plus ebony for the FB, but the lumberyard had NO limba at all. I was bummed out to say the least, but I had to change my plans. The color coding isn't as good as it would've been, but this'll still be awesome.
I've got a bunch of stuff that will be left over for other builds, so $250 isn't so bad for everything.
Post away fellers.
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Old 05-02-2010, 12:21 AM   #3
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Why not get limba online or from someone here? I get all my wood online since the lumber yards near me aren't too good
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Old 05-02-2010, 02:39 AM   #4
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Why not get limba online or from someone here? I get all my wood online since the lumber yards near me aren't too good


Would it be a thread hijack if I asked where? Cause the prices he paid for that wood seemed pretty low.
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Old 05-02-2010, 10:13 AM   #5
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Yeah I probably could've gotten it online but I figured it would cost a lot more for a lot less wood. The guy in charge there said he hasn't seen any limba in a long time.
Of course this isn't set in stone yet. If I do find some cheap limba on ebay or something, maybe I'll just keep the sapelle and birdseye for another build.
EDIT: I've just checked another lumberyard's site and they don't seem to have any either. ebay also has nothing for any decent price.
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Old 05-02-2010, 10:18 AM   #6
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That's a shitload of wood, man. Nice score.
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Old 05-02-2010, 10:29 AM   #7
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Thanks man. Hopefully my build will be as good as yours.
To acrtl1000s: I don't understand if you were asking me or solomon, but I got my wood from exotic lumber inc in Annapolis, MD. They have a HUGE selection of stuff; pretty much anything you could want (except limba).
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Old 05-02-2010, 10:39 AM   #8
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wait salsa, you live in maryland too?
maybe if youre ever around there the place that bobby gets his wood (hardwoods inc) might have limba
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IIRC Isn't birdseye maple just extremely warped maple? Wouldn't that lead to a higher chance of it warping even more in the future?
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Old 05-02-2010, 10:51 AM   #10
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EDIT: I don't know a whole lot about birdseye but I don't think that's true. In either case, my piece is about as straight as you can get so no worries.

Bobby suggested to me the place I went, and he told me about the place he goes to (hardwoods inc). I did check their site and they didn't seem to have any limba either. I should probably call them later to make sure, but I'm kind of out of money right now. I've got enough wenge for two neck-thrus, so maybe my next build could be what I originally wanted.

I also just measured some things more precisely and found out I could have sapelle neck laminates instead of birdseye laminates, which would look better in the color scheme. That's what I'll be doing then.
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Old 05-02-2010, 10:53 AM   #11
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Birdeye is thought to be caused by a disease or virus in the tree.

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EDIT: and I love wenge, easily one of my favorite woods. Lets hope this build turns out great!

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Old 05-02-2010, 01:44 PM   #12
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Thanks man. Hopefully my build will be as good as yours.
To acrtl1000s: I don't understand if you were asking me or solomon, but I got my wood from exotic lumber inc in Annapolis, MD. They have a HUGE selection of stuff; pretty much anything you could want (except limba).


Thanks man, I just sent them an email. They do have really good wood. I don't live within 100 miles of a lumber mill.
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Old 05-02-2010, 02:33 PM   #13
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arrent baritones 27" scale? will 28" give it more baritone-ness?
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Thanks man, I just sent them an email. They do have really good wood. I don't live within 100 miles of a lumber mill.

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arrent baritones 27" scale? will 28" give it more baritone-ness?

27" is baritone, but I just wanted a little more assurance, plus on a 28", the 24th fret is exactly 21" from the nut, as opposed to some weird decimal. It makes things a little easier.
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Yeah, now that I think about it, would you just use a 2 ft long micrometer for fret locations? Or do they make rulers with decimals in inches?
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I think the best way to do it is to make an exact template of the fret locations with a computer program, then glue/tape it to the fretboard.
You could use a caliper/micrometer, but you'd just measure the distance from one fret to the next.
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arrent baritones 27" scale? will 28" give it more baritone-ness?

A baritone can be any scale you care to make it really. A Gretsch Spectrasonic Baritone is 30" and they come factory shipped tuned to C standard.
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Old 05-02-2010, 08:30 PM   #18
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xiphos body (thanks for the template Matt)


good luck!
awesome that its a baritone though :P

ive been thinking about building a baritone neck for one of my guitars... but i need some more tools for that
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Old 05-08-2010, 01:52 PM   #19
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So I got the sapelle planed at my school and it's now just a little over 1 3/4". I was planning on a 1 7/8" thick body but oh well.

Not the most interesting wood of all time but it's not too bland. I'll reserve judgement until it's finished.

So the plans so far are:
Not sure on the body thickness. Chances are I'll have to go down to 1 5/8" or so.
1/4" thick fretboard
15' scarf joint
I think I may slip in a piece of wenge in the scarf joint to make it look neat, plus it'll hide my likely crappy joint.
3.89' neck angle (I'm going to cut the angle into the neck with either a table saw or a skil saw)

1 25/32" wide at the nut, 2 19/64" at the end of the fretboard
So I'll cut the neck laminates, glue the neck, plane that even, cut the neck angle, then cut the scarf joint. Sound good?
Hopefully there will be some progress today.
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Old 05-16-2010, 11:25 PM   #20
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Update time!
I got my wenge and sapelle neck laminates ripped. I also cut out the wing blocks.
I was planning on using ormsby's neck-thru neck angle method, but then I figured out I couldn't do that because of the somewhat large angle (almost 4 degrees) and the fact that my neck blank is only about 1 3/4" thick. I'll be recessing the TOM instead, which will be easier if anything.
I used a festool circular saw with a rail-type jig that makes really clean cuts that can be glued without jointing. It's more accurate than my table saw would have been.

Damn wenge is hard to work with, and it's extremely brittle. Probably not the best choice for my first build. The sapelle was far easier to cut.
It's hard to see, but I traced the shape of the body wings onto the blocks.


The section I used had this really cool waterfall kind of grain, almost like bubinga. I'm actually starting to think that maybe it is bubinga and the lumberyard tricked me. Whatever .
I should be gluing these up this week hopefully, then I'll plane it even.
EDIT: The neck laminates look weird in the picture but they are even.
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