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Jhay_Dee

I don't agree with not having Oasis on the list, they are one of the biggest influences to the entire British indie/alternative guitar-band scene at the moment, Definately Maybe needs to be on there. Having two Blur albums on there also seems a tad excessive.

I'd put Reckoning by R.E.M in there as well, the lack of Franz Ferdiand's dissapoints me, it's definately at a par with both the Arcade Fire albums. And no White Stripes either? Sure they're commerically successful but why should that prevent them making the list... I'd put White Blood Cells up there. Maybe put The La's in there as well, great album.

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Monkeygone2hvn

These are some i thought were missing:

Daniel Johnston - either "Hi How Are You?" or "Discovered Covered"

Sufjan Stevens- I would put "Illinoise" over "Seven Swans"

Wolf Parade- Apologies To The Queen Mary

Sparklehorse- It's a Wonderful Life

Tom Waits- Bone Machine

Devendra Banhart- Rejoicing in the Hands

jiminizzle

i really think these two would be good choices

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avalonfour

I was kind of surprised to see this one missing:

The Band - Music from Big Pink

uhh_me?

nolan: interesting case for Justin Timberlake. not sure that makes it essential, but if it is true, it does make it influential.

the other stuff, i'm on the fence about. i love those Fennesz and Venetian Snares albums, but i sort of get the impression that you and i are the only ones that would really want them added.

biles: thanks. i will definitely look into both albums you mentioned, on more of personal level. i'm not sure they are obvious enough choices for someone trying to dip their toes into things. maybe i am entirely wrong...

i may even actually have the Cpt Beefheart one somewhere. he has so much material that is takes so much listening to absorb that it is tough to really take it all in.

luke: i feel like most of the stonecold classics in that batch are already on the list. the others, while a good portion are good, aren't essential. make a case for the ones you think are.

jhay_dee: give me a really strong argument for Oasis (or most of the other bands you mentioned) and they will be put up for consideration. i do think that the general consensus is that most of those things are missing for a reason, however shallow it could be.

as for REM, Reckoning could easily be in their top 3, but i think if we were to add a second one by them, i would prefer from a slightly different era of the band. maybe Document or Automatic For The People?

monkeygone2hvn (jeremy?): i don't have a clue how Sparklehorse isn't on there...will add.

Waits, i'd probably go for Blood Money or Alice over Bone Machine.

Wolf Parade, while the first album is great have either of the new ones really come close to that one? i'm not saying that a band needs to sustain greatness to be added, i don't actually know what i'm saying, but something makes me hesitate about calling it essential. i'll leave it up for debate though.

the Sufjan, i feel like Illinois is/was so huge that it is nice to have something a bit deeper into the catalog on the list simply because it may encourage further digging.

avalonfour: love that album. i do think that The Band's self titled is perhaps more essential because it removes them from Dylan's huge shadow and reveals that they are their own wonderful thing. i'll leave the debate between the two open, but i really would like one to be added.

others: if i missed you, i didn't mean to. feel free to discuss things in this thread, and not just with me. talk among yourself. i'm not the ultimate authority here, i'm just the guy that gets to edit the list.


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yogi_la_bearo

The thing that came to mind about the two Band albums is the same thing with the first two Pixies albums. Surfer Rosa and Big Pink may be the more influential albums, in the sense that they came first and really made a big statement to people at the time, but The Band and Doolittle are more developed, more consistent, and in my opinion, the better albums. Both had a much larger impact on me when getting into either of those bands, so my vote is for The Band.

For Tom Waits, with Rain Dogs already up there, I think it's more essential to have one of his earlier albums, like Closing Time.

I much prefer The Lonesome Crowded West to The Moon and Antarctica, but it's hard to pick just one for this reason, because The Moon and Antarctica almost sounds like a different band to me.

Also, with the only 90s hip hop album being instrumental, there really should be something more there. I don't really know what would be considered alternative here though, which makes me afraid to suggest things. I guess it's more about being sort of revolutionary though.

I was going to argue for Harvest to be on there, but then there's After the Gold Rush too, and then I'm not sure what I want. I'd rather see Live Rust on there than Rust Never Sleeps, but I don't know if you'd want a live album, even though it's a wonderful starting place for Neil Young. I think it's the best starting place for Neil Young. It's got his acoustic side and his electric side, and they're both at full form.

I also think there should be an Ani DiFranco album on there.

volcom_sk8_rock

What do you think of these....

- Possibly some These arms are snakes on there somewhere? just for some more post hardcore to go alongside Fugazi.

- Fukced Up's Hidden World is a strong case, sure its a hardcore album but they incorporate so many different elements of music that really settle them more into the alternative genre. I thought Chemistry Of Common Life would also be a good choice but I had to go with my favourite. This band along with Archers of Loaf are a great kick up the ass for the entire genre.

- Talking about bands that have influenced others surely a Springsteen album should feature somewhere. Possibly DOTEOT or Born To Run. You only have to look at bands like The Arcade Fire and The Hold Steady to see the influence he's had on others.

- I harp on about The Drones a fair bit and with good reason, when everyone thinks of decent artists from Australia you get the standard Nick Cave respone but these guys are something else I'm telling you. wait long by the river while the enemies of your dead float by along with Gala Mill and Havilah are all quality albums. The later two both received top ratings from TMT. I can understand why they are so constantly overlooked being from down under and everything but they really are grossly underrated.

- I also think Guided by Voices Bee thousand should be on there.

Just a few suggestions... I'd love some feedback.

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sre9981

In terms of Bruce: GREETINGS FROM ASBURY PARK

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uhh_me?

my Bruce album has always been Nebraska. he does no wrong until after 1984. i'd vote for Darkness or BTR to be on the list because they seem to be the best entry points.

in response to the recent Neil Young thoughts (along with some older ones), Tonight's The Night is a pretty odd choice. looking at it now, i can't see that being immediately appealing to someone entirely new to him. perhaps swap that with After The Gold Rush?

i know very little about hardcore...so, umm, yeah.

anyone else want to weigh in on The Band situation? if nothing in the next few days, it appears that the consensus is leaning towards their s/t.

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yogi_la_bearo

I think either Harvest or After the Gold Rush, whichever. I tend to prefer Harvest, but it may be too subdued for a single album. After the Gold Rush probably deserves to be the one on the list.

volcom_sk8_rock

My personal favourite is On The Beach, I've always loved that album especially Ambluance Blues.

Can't say I have much knowledge on The Band myself so I cant help you there.

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Monkeygone2hvn

on the beach is my favorite as well, although its definitely not one of his most well known albums. The title track just has such a great groove to it.

uhh_me?

i agree about On The Beach being Neil's best and probably being in my personal top 3 albums ever. i would just never suggest it as a starting place.

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lolmnt

While I'm pretty into newer hardcore bands, I'm not sure they should be on the list. Because it could very easily become a list on all alternative forms of music. And then you'd have to include bands like Helmet on there.

And to continue with that thought, you'd probably have to put other modern hardcore albums like New Lexicon by Paint it Black or You are Beneath Me by End of a Year Self Defense Plan

Not that I'd mind, but it's not a "bands that Collin likes" list.

On the other hand Fucked Up has been embraced by the ummm "hip" crowd. So you could probably through them up there and it wouldn't matter. Plus I think Black Flag is on this list.

Oh all this goes for These Arms are Snakes as well.

And I wouldn't call Archers of Loaf hardcore or hardcore related at all, if that's what you're saying. But I'd throw Icky Mettle up there.

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for bruce springsteen i'd suggest either the wild, the innocent... or born to run. saying that, nebraska is by far my favourite of his.

avalonfour

I do agree that their s/t is the better record. As an influence on Canadian music, Music From Big Pink was just so ****ing important and that's definitely where my fondness for that record stems from. It's the more influential of the two but like you said, The Band is what removed them from Dylan's shadow. I'll cave and join the s/t train.

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Collin: you were supposed to settle that. i think you just made it more complex...

re: The Band: will add the self-titled.

re: Springsteen: looking like more opinions (or convincing arguments) are needed.

re: Beefheart: after Biles' comment, i relistened to a good chunk of the stuff that i have. i'm not sure if Trout Mask Replica should be on the list, despite it being the best known of his works. would we be best off swapping it with another of his albums? i'm partial to Safe As Milk, Lick My Decals Off..., and Mirror Man.

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Bmm386

it's my impression that there are WAY too many albums on this for it to be helpful to anyone. Maybe we should re-organize -- work out a short list and long list.

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