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Official Drug Thread v8.0: The Return of the Mushrooms!

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REVENGE OF THE MUSHROOMS


Credit for much of the following goes to Nelsean. Props to DT regular iantheman for the title of this Drug Thread, “REVENGE OF THE MUSHROOMS.”



Hello to all those interested/partaking in drug use or drug information! All questions and comments about particular drugs, their effects, drug paraphernalia and related topics are to be confined to this thread only. All other threads about drug use will be closed.

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Helpful Links (credit to DT regular blue_strat, thanks man):

Basic Marijuana Myths

Myths and Facts about Marijuana

The Study between Marijuana and Brain Damage

Understanding Cannabinoids

Pill Reports (ecstasy)

Pill Identifier

Cannabis + Effexor warning

Shroom Theory

Ultimate DXM site

"The infamous tin foil debate thread"

Tasteful Hemp Cooking (all kinds of edibles)

In addition to that thread above, here are a DT regular's own recipes:

Cannabis Tea (Multiply ingredients as needed):

Ingredients:
1 gram of marijuana (finely ground)
1 cup of whole milk (or egg nog, depending on whether or not 'tis the season)
cheesecloth

Optional:
Tea of choice and water
chocolate milk mix

Preparation:
Bring the milk to a low simmer, stir in weed. Allow to simmer lightly for 20 minutes without getting so hot as to vaporize the weed. filter out weed using the cheesecloth. Optional: stir in chocolate milk mix, or add hot water, and steep tea.

Firecrackers (Multiply ingredients as needed):

Ingredients:
2 Crackers
nutella, or peanut butter with high fat content
1-1.5g of marijuana (finely ground)
Tin foil

Preparation:
Preheat oven to 320 degrees F. Liberally spread nutella or PB over both crackers. Sprinkle the weed on top of the crackers, allowing as much to come in contact with the spread as possible. put crackers together, and wrap in tin foil.
Bake (lolpun) at 320F for 20-22 minutes. (do not microwave)

Thanks iantheman!
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Rational Scale to Assess Harm of Drugs





As of right now, Cannabis is a Class 2, not Class 3 drug.

Detection Periods:

The following chart from LabCorp gives approximate detection periods for each substance by test type. The ranges depend on amount and frequency of use, metabolic rate, body mass, age, overall health, and urine pH. For ease of use, the detection times of metabolites have been incorporated into each parent drug. For example, heroin and cocaine can only be detected for a few hours after use, but their metabolites can be detected for several days in urine. In this type of situation, we will report the (longer) detection times of the metabolites.

NOTE 1: Oral fluid or saliva testing results for the most part mimic that of blood. The only exceptions are THC and benzodiazepines. Oral fluid will likely detect THC from ingestion up to a maximum period of 18–24 hours. Low saliva:plasma ratio continues to cause difficulty in oral fluid detection of benzodiazepines.

NOTE 2: Urine cannot detect current drug use. It takes approximately 6–8 hours or more post-consumption for drug to be metabolized and excreted in urine. Similarly, hair requires two weeks, and sweat, seven days.





What is an acid trip like?

Here is a summary! (credit to slinkyblue)

It'll last 12 hours, so you need to have an entire day to dedicate to it, preferably two days, one for recovery.

Your emotions will be heavily amplified, and severely influenced by what is around you.

You'll see patterns and beauty in everything around you, astounded at how you haven't appreciated everything...

Time will seem to stop.

You'll feel like you've had a blindfold pulled out from your soul, and you can finally see (nay, feel... experience.. see is an insufficient word) the world as it is...

It will make you happy.

But it will also make you scared.

It's a very tough thing to deal with. You have to be very in control of your emotions if you want to stay somewhat sane. Somewhat.

Info on Datura and other Anti-cholinergics

This is all credited to Nelsean:

Anti-Cholinergics

Part 1 - What is an anti-cholinergic?
An anti-cholinergic drug is a drug that inhibits the neurotransmitter acetylcholine inside your brain. Basically, it attaches to where acetylcholine usually attaches to, and keeps acetylcholine from attaching to it. The receptor that it attaches to is the muscanaric receptor found mostly in the autonomic nervous system of your brain. In a sense, these drugs temporarily impair your autonomic nervous system.

Part 2 - What contains these anti-cholinergics?
Anti-Cholinergic effects are shared by many drugs.

The most notorious of these is the plant Datura (nightshade, jimson weed, devils thorns, hells trumpet, etc.). Datura contains two active chemicals in it, atropine and scopalamine. The problem with Datura is, the amount of the active ingredients in any part of the plant is unpredictable. Two neighboring plants may have a different concentration of those two ingredients in their leaves, making any attempts at guessing a dose unpredictable and often times fatal.

A very common drug that has anti-cholinergic effects is Diphenhydramine, the main ingredient in drugs ranging from benadryl, to Unisom, to Dramamine (in the form of Dimenhydrinate, which is 1 part Diphenhydramine and 1 part crystal salt filler). As doses of Diphenhydramine can be predicted, it is a much more stable drug to experiment with although it's not very recommended.

Part 3 - Dosage
The general dosage of anti-cholinergics seems to vary on an individual level, and even on a setting level. A common dose would be from 250mg of Diphenhydramine to 400mg. A strong dose would be 400mg to 600mg. Over 600mg is a very heavy dose, which should only be attempted by the experienced with a capable trip sitter.

Part 4 - Delirium?
The difference between a hallucinogen and a deliriant is that a deliriant puts the user into a state of delirium. A person on a hallucinogenic drug will be able to recognize that they are under the influence, and will be able to distinguish hallucinations from reality. A state of delirium is completely different though. Haunted by hallucinations that take on such a complex appearance that the hallucination will be accepted as reality. As you can see this could be very dangerous, as the person usually loses all short term memory and can start harming themselves or others due to their state.

Part 5 - The experience
The experience is described as positive by very few people, especially in high doses. The experiences tend to be overall depressing, exhausting, and often times leave a hangover that lasts a day to a few, and their has been research that has pointed out that anti-cholinergic abuse may lead to HPPD. After ingestion of the dose, the effects will usually come on within an hour, depending on the metabolism of the individual user, as well as what they had eaten and how recently. The first effects will be a relaxation of muscles to the point that they are very difficult to move, and feel heavy. Normally wet spots like your mouth and nose all dry out, which causes you to feel heavily dehydrated, but water just flows right through the body, not quenching the thirst. Communication becomes incredibly difficult, and audible hallucinations start kicking in, short bursts of voices exploding in your head, getting harder and harder to distinguish from reality. Then visual hallucinations start. By this point the user will be incredibly tired, a side effect of the first generation anti-histamines like benadryl used to trip. The visual hallucinations progress from shaking objects to full on hallucinations, indistinguishable from reality. Spiders, insects, old friends, cigarettes, just a few of the very common hallucinations that occur. Then depending on the dose, it could possibly get to the point where you can't tell if your eyes are open or closed because both worlds are so real.

Part 6 - Dangers
An overdose is incredibly dangerous. The autonomic nervous system controls many necessary body functions such as heart beat, and if it is impaired enough the heart will stop. Acetylcholine is also the neurotransmitter that causes muscles to tighten, and if it is fully suppressed than all the muscles in the body will stop working, including the heart and diaphragm. Another very real danger is that of HPPD. Some people get "flashbacks" weeks after use, some people may even acquire them permanently. The flashbacks caused by diphenhydramine seem to be "static" that covers the field of view of the sufferer, as well as objects that may start shaking at random, lines that may bend or curve, lightening like flashes on objects, as well as some others. While most of these cease after a few days off of the drug, prolonged exposure can cause these effects to stay around longer.
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Marijuana FAQ

Thanks to Nelsean (most of this is his work) and -Collapse-. Between Collapse and myself we did the parts of the FAQ not already done by Nelsean.

Q: It's my first time smoking and I'm a total noob, what do I need to know?

A: For joints or blunts just smoke them like a cigarette, but make sure after inhaling to hold it in for at least a few seconds. You can also take another breath in on top of the initial inhale to ensure you are getting full absorption of the smoke.

For bowls (pipes, bongs, steamrollers, etc.), hopefully you have a more experienced buddy there to help you out, but basically with a pipe you just cover the carb (the little hole) with your finger, then inhale and light the weed. Keep inhaling and remove your finger from the carb to take the hit. With bongs, you want to inhale and light the bud. To clear the hit remove the bowl while you keep inhaling.

This website has a lot of good information on smoking etiquette for noobs

Q: For my first time smoking what can I expect?

A: For the high to clear out, you should give yourself at least 3-4 hours. You may feel a little zoned out afterwards, and definitely try and avoid having to communicate with parents, authority figures, etc. while you are still feeling pretty high.

Your eyes may get red, and this can arouse suspicion in people. Eye drops are used by many smokers, and they do the job great.

After smoking you may carry an odor, particularly if you smoke a joint/blunt or you hotbox. Ozone based deoderizing sprays are the best, but are suspected of being somewhat hazardous to health, so definitely vent the area with a window and fan as well if you use these. However, a window and a fan should take care of most of the smell in fairly short time with good circulation. Weed doesn't hang around and cling like tobacco does. If you are driving in a car, an easy way to get the smell out of the car and off your clothing is to drive with all the windows down for awhile.

If it's your first time smoking, you might not even get truly high. Often times the "best" highs for smokers is the 2nd or 3rd time they smoke, so it's best to just relax and go with the flow.

Q: What are good ways to be discreet and avoid getting caught?

A: At home, make sure you cover up the smell. Use airtight containers (glass jars are good and keep the bud fresh) and baggies + socks can be good for pieces. Smoke outside to be safer, but if you do smoke inside then make sure you use a window, fan, sploof and, if necessary, some kind of aerosol spray. The more of those you use the better you will conceal the smell.

Always exercise supreme caution if you can not afford to get caught. Many, many people have gotten in deep shit for getting caught. Be wary of getting too comfortable. After time passes and you have gotten away with it for awhile you tend to grow to relaxed about it and a little slip can have severe consequences.


Q: How can you take it?

A: You can take marijuana by smoking it, vaporizing it, or eating it.

Q: How do you roll?

A: Joint:
Blunt:

Q: How can I make a homemade smoking device?

A: One example is the gravity bong, which you can learn how to make here

Q: What is it in marijuana that gets you high?

A: There are these chemicals in marijuana called cannabinoids. A few of them are: delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), cannabidiol (CBD), cannabinol (CBN), and cannabigerol (CBG). There are more but these are the most prevalent. These cannabinoids are what get you high. They are found in the “crystals” , or trichomes, on the female marijuana plant. Their purpose is to catch pollen so the female plant can reproduce (produce seeds).

So how do these “cannabinoids” get me high?

Well, inside your nervous system, you have these things called cannabinoid receptors. These receptors are a natural binding point for cannabinoids. There are two main cannabinoid receptors: CB-1 and CB-2. What happens is when you smoke marijuana, the cannabinoids go from smoke in your lungs, through the lining, to your bloodstream, to your heart, and find their way to your brain. In there, they bind to those receptors. When you eat it, it gets digested and goes through your intestines, liver, and bloodstream. It takes longer but it the high will last longer.

Different types of marijuana will give you a different high. THC tends to bind to the CB-1 receptor and CBD tends to bind more to the CB-2 receptor. The different cannabinoids give different effects. CBD gives you a more “stoned, couch-locked” high and THC gives a more “head high”. THC is more prevalent in cannabis sativa while CBD is more prevalent in cannabis indica.

Q: Is marijuana addictive?

A: Marijuana is not physically addictive - as in there are no chemicals in it that are addictive. Marijuana use can be habit-forming and is therefore psychologically addictive.

Q: What are the health effects?

A: Well, smoking any plant isn’t good for you. Marijuana smoke does contain more tar than a cigarette. The thing is, marijuana is getting more potent which means you smoke less to get high. Marijuana smokers tend to smoke a lot less than the average cigarette smoker. So far, marijuana hasn’t directly caused lung cancer.

When you get high, marijuana acts on the hippocampus in your brain. The hippocampus is responsible for forming new memories. So when you smoke marijuana and get high, it will make it harder to form new memories. Marijuana doesn’t kill your brain cells or permanently damage your memory, but long-term use can lead to some memory problems.

Marijuana doesn’t make you sterile.

I can’t think of any other myths or mysteries surrounding marijuana use at the moment. Ask any other questions about health effects.

Q: What are it's medicinal uses?

A: Anxiety: Marijuana has been reported to help relieve effects from anxiety disorder.
Asthma: THC is a bronchial dilator which means it opens up your lungs.
Crohn’s: Marijuana use has been reported to help appetite, suppress nausea, and relieve pain.
Glaucoma: Marijuana use will relieve pressure in the eyes.
HIV/AIDS wasting: Marijuana helps relieve nausea and boost appetite.
Chronic pain: Marijuana has been recognized by states with medical marijuana to be helpful for pain relief.

Q: What are marijuana's general different classes and characteristics?

A: See below
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I had some reg type weed last week, although the person who got me it called it thai weed, I've always known it as box weed just cause it always seemed really compressed. Can be very hit or miss, thankfully this time it was hit
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I get to smoke DMT today, actually in about an hour and a half.

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Hey guys, a quick question about Al.

We use a home made bong, and we stick a pipe into it. All good.
But to prevent the weed falling through, we use a small bit of foil. Now, reading about Al foil has worried me - should we stop using the foil to hold the weed into the end of the pipe on the bowl?
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I'm jealous as ****. As far as tips go, I heard that taking an MAOI can significantly improve your trip, but look around on erowid before you trust anything I say.
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